2023 Season

[GTRMagic]

Mitsubishi was the naming rights partner of the first Adelaide F1 Grand Prix back in 1985…

Adelaide Alive..

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

When Honda and Red Bull both host a Grand Prix, why are Mercedes and Alpine too cheap to host one? Supposedly Honda's Japanese Grand Prix even has some of the most reasonable ticket prices of the calendar. I'm unsure of the ticket prices for the Austrian Grand Prix.

You'd think Mercedes and Alpine would use their cost cap savings to host domestic Grands Prix respectively...

It needs to be borne in mind that the Suzuka circuit is owned by Honda so that may have a bearing on the naming of the race.

I can't remember whether Toyota's name was included in the race title a few years ago when the race was held at Fuji, as they happen (or used) to own that.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

When Honda and Red Bull both host a Grand Prix, why are Mercedes and Alpine too cheap to host one?

Which circuits do Mercedes or Alpine own to enable them to host a GP?

[S griffin]

Mercedes do have the Mercedes grandstands at both Hockenheim and the Nurburgring, but don't own either AFAIK.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Mercedes do have the Mercedes grandstands at both Hockenheim and the Nurburgring, but don't own either AFAIK.

It's called sponsorship and advertising.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Mercedes do have the Mercedes grandstands at both Hockenheim and the Nurburgring, but don't own either AFAIK.

IIRC,

The Nürburgring is owned by a Russian billionaire (not sure if sanctions have affected this).
Hockenheim-Ring GmbH is a company in its own right.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by peebee2

It's called sponsorship and advertising.

I don't think S griffin suggested anything different?

He just said they have stands there, but didn't say anything about ownership.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

It needs to be borne in mind that the Suzuka circuit is owned by Honda so that may have a bearing on the naming of the race.

I can't remember whether Toyota's name was included in the race title a few years ago when the race was held at Fuji, as they happen (or used) to own that.

A couple of things I should have mentioned in my other post. One is that, of course, Red Bull host the GP at their own circuit, so that's a good enough reason to be the host.

Secondly, Suzuka may have the lowest prices (I don't know as I have never paid to be there for the GPs) but it needs to be remembered that the circuit doesn't need to rely on big ticket events to bolster it's balance sheet. The circuit is actually only a part of the complex that consists of a motoring theme park, with restaurants, hotels and many other features, all of which attract visitors year round. Also, the Japanese spectators are, on the whole, far more passionate about all forms of auto events, not just F1, than nearly any other nationality.

On my last visit there, when we left some hours after the end of the GP, there were still thousands of spectators sat around the circuit watching re-runs with replays of incidents/action of the race on the huge screens dotted around the track. And there were plenty of people enjoying the theme park as well. We didn't stop any longer as we still had an 8 hour drive back to Tokyo to get on with.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Which circuits do Mercedes or Alpine own to enable them to host a GP?

Exactly! Too cheap to even own a circuit let alone host their domestic Grand Prix.

One notes that Red Bull and Honda both invested in B-teams, Toro Rosso and Super Aguri respectively, while again Mercedes or Alpine didn't do that and then just complain about the others having B-teams instead of simply making their own B-team (Manor or Caterham were available for purchase for example).

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Exactly! Too cheap to even own a circuit let alone host their domestic Grand Prix.

Maybe Mercedes invested their money in 7x WDCs and 8x WCCs in a row instead?

Although on a serious note - the structure of the companies behind Mercedes and Alpine's F1 entries is very different to Red Bull and Honda respectively. They operate in very different ways, and it would be disingenuous to call them 'cheap'. They just have different corporate aspirations.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Exactly! Too cheap to even own a circuit let alone host their domestic Grand Prix.

So every team should own their own circuit, why, when they aren't allowed to use it for testing as needed. Even when there was unlimited testing Ferrari was the only team who had their own track, it being multi purpose both for race car testing and road car development.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by Casper

So every team should own their own circuit, why, when they aren't allowed to use it for testing as needed. Even when there was unlimited testing Ferrari was the only team who had their own track, it being multi purpose both for race car testing and road car development.

Puts pedant hat on and whispers the word Lotus (again used by both race and road car divisions... And the main straight was somewhere for Colin and Graham etc to land their planes

http://www.lotuscars.com.tr/racing/h...dex-31332.html

[dsg]

Originally Posted by PhilipR

is 24 too many?

No. Most people work 48 to 52 weeks a year for far less money. Plus I like watching F1, so the more the better.

[ScotsBrutesFan]

Originally Posted by dsg

No. Most people work 48 to 52 weeks a year for far less money. Plus I like watching F1, so the more the better.

The team personnel do work 48 weeks a year, it’s not just the race weekends, but at the factory between events as well.

[dsg]

Originally Posted by ScotsBrutesFan

The team personnel do work 48 weeks a year, it’s not just the race weekends, but at the factory between events as well.

Then there is no issue with a few more races. Fi teams can rotate staff on the road and it is an opportunity for more people to get jobs in F1. God forbid they have to reduce a bit of F1 waste and employ more people.