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Old 18 May 2022, 21:31 (Ref:4110515)   #1
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The greatest F1 race drives of all time

Following the recent discussion on the greatest races of all time, what, in your opinion, were the greatest single race drives by a driver?

I believe the greatest single race drive of all time was by Jim Clark in the 1963 Belgian GP. A great start to take the lead, then a dominant victory in treacherous conditions, on a classic circuit, while nursing a significant car problem. It had it all.

I also wrote a list of what I believe to be the greatest drives in F1 history here: https://f1frogblog.wordpress.com/202...s-of-all-time/
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Old 19 May 2022, 07:53 (Ref:4110534)   #2
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There's too many to mention. Moss 61 Monaco and Senna 85 Portugal are two worthy candidates though
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Old 19 May 2022, 09:03 (Ref:4110547)   #3
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Stirling Moss had so many epic drives in all classes of car that even restricting it to Grand Prix it is hard to make a choice.

I always think of Moss winning in Argentina in 1958 quite a good one.... especially given that so many think the "What lap should I stop for tyres" (or in this case not stop) or the very concept of tyre strategy to be something only found in modern day GPs.
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Old 19 May 2022, 14:25 (Ref:4110576)   #4
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...but Tazio Nuvolari's 1935 win in an Alfa Romeo, beating the state sponsored Auto Union and Mercedes Benz, with a car crude by comparison, took place before I was born, yet for me it is one of he great races 'of all time'.
this right!

most if not al race wins are important for the driver and team. its personal, competitive, and commercial...not that these are bad things mind you.

but few races, particularly when looked at through the lens of history, take on an added level of societal importance.
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Old 19 May 2022, 17:50 (Ref:4110599)   #5
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I was never a Moss fan but his win in the 57 Pescara GP would be high on my list as would Jacky Ickx Race of Champions win in the wet. The pass on Nikki Lauda round the outside of Paddock was outstanding.
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Old 20 May 2022, 12:09 (Ref:4110665)   #6
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One drive I was impressed by was Hulkenberg in the 2013 Korea GP. He really got a lot out of that car. It may not be an obvious one, but it should be recognised as something that deserves to be remembered. He didn't get many opportunities like that in that Sauber due to various things not going his way through the season, but that day he reminded everyone of his talent
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Old 21 May 2022, 22:31 (Ref:4110882)   #7
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I’m going to add a few. Jim Clark 1967 Monza. Wanted to through this one in as it was a great come back. On a circuit where it was felt the driver couldn’t make a great difference he did.

And we have to mention the drive that defined the race that won the 10-10ths best race bracket that crmalcolm did for us. Fangio’s 1957 Nurburgring masterclass.

I would also like to suggest Donington 1993. If only for Aysedasi. Maybe it is just he greatest lap, but it was supported by just being much better than the rest for the rest of the race. Although interesting that Senna said his first win at Estoril years before was much better.

Not sure they are the best, but they came to mind.
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I’m going to add a few. Jim Clark 1967 Monza. Wanted to through this one in as it was a great come back. On a circuit where it was felt the driver couldn’t make a great difference he did.

And we have to mention the drive that defined the race that won the 10-10ths best race bracket that crmalcolm did for us. Fangio’s 1957 Nurburgring masterclass.

I would also like to suggest Donington 1993. If only for Aysedasi. Maybe it is just he greatest lap, but it was supported by just being much better than the rest for the rest of the race. Although interesting that Senna said his first win at Estoril years before was much better.

Not sure they are the best, but they came to mind.
Not trying to be controversial, and certainly not trying to minimise Ayrton's skills in any way, but my understanding was that Senna had the benefit of an advanced and superior traction control over Williams etc at that time that certainly gave him an advantage in the conditions at Donnington that day.

McLaren suggest same in their Heritage article on their website.... it talks of the McLaren subsidiary, exclusive to McLaren Tag Electronics system, others could not match at that time.
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....Featuring a battery of advanced new technologies, the car was the company’s most sophisticated design yet with new electronic engine management software, chassis control, data acquisition and telemetry systems. Designed and manufactured by McLaren Group subsidiary TAG Electronic
Systems exclusively for McLaren, these systems were accompanied by a new, lightweight electronic control panel in the cockpit. Fitted into a new, improved chassis, the fuel-efficient Ford HB engine gave McLaren cause to be optimistic. It was hoped that whatever the car lacked in outright horsepower it would make up for with even better preparation and engineering, clever race strategies, chassis and electronics from TAG. The new car was also to feature even more advanced active suspension set-up and traction control.

And Ayrton Senna would drive it....
An extract from https://www.mclaren.com/racing/herit...mclaren-mp4-8/

I do note that the McLaren engine may have been a bit of a weakness as a detriment / trade off.

Maybe the fact I was never a huge fan of Senna is clouding my judgement. I was in awe of his skills and ability, especially in qualifying, but felt he was something of a flawed genius. He is not the only superstar of all eras I thought / think of in this way.

Just sayin'.....
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Of races I have actually seen from trackside , Mansell's win in 1987 at Silverstone was pretty memorable , especially as I was in Stowe grandstand ,and it was at Stowe where that overtake happened.

An often overlooked drive was Keke Rosberg in the shed of a Theodore at the Daily Express Trophy 1978 , in monsoon conditions. Only a non championship race,. some will say, but one that had Peterson , Lauda, Andretti and Hunt . Keke was 3 seconds slower than pole in the dry ...

Great drives do not always produce great spectacles, but that often overlooked genius of a driver , Jackie Stewart certainly made his mark at the Nurburgring in 1968 - 34 seconds in the lead on lap 2 , and won by 4 MINUTES.
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Not trying to be controversial, and certainly not trying to minimise Ayrton's skills in any way, but my understanding was that Senna had the benefit of an advanced and superior traction control over Williams etc at that time that certainly gave him an advantage in the conditions at Donnington that day. …
Not sure about the superiority, but it did have TC, which is why Senna said he thought Portugal was better.

And I’m not sure any of the TV systems were that amazing, certainly relative to later on, but it must have helped.
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Great drives do not always produce great spectacles, but that often overlooked genius of a driver , Jackie Stewart certainly made his mark at the Nurburgring in 1968 - 34 seconds in the lead on lap 2 , and won by 4 MINUTES.
I wanted to chose a race in which someone just dominated. That is a good example.

I was also drawn to a race where there were two drivers ahead of he field going much faster than the others. Very gladiatorial. The one that prevailed (or maybe the other) would get their drive submitted. I thought of Stewart Rindt at Silverstone (although ruined by Lotus!) or a Schumacher Hakkinen when they just destroyed everyone at Suzuka.
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JPM v Kimi at Imterlagos in 2004 was pretty good!

Alonso vs everyone at Valencia 2013.

Just a couple of suggestions.
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I think there are many ways one could address the question - and all equally valid in approach.

Are you looking for the one drive where a driver was superior to the rest of the field?
A contested race between two (or more) drivers, where one of them eventually gained an advantage?
A recovery from a poor position to take points (or win) when it seemed a lost cause?

For example (looking at the GROAT semi-finals):

The final was between 1957 Nürburgring and 2008 Interlagos. Both of these are considered as great races because the result was in doubt throughout (race or WDC). There was a sporting contest that kept the attention of the viewer, and the eventual winners in each case was not obvious in advance.

But, Fangio's 1957 drive could also be considered a great drive when you look at how he performed compared to the rest of the field.
2008 Interlagos is not the same though. I feel it is hard to look at any one driver's performance on the day as having any greatness, or that they were the class of the field.

An interesting consideration in the context of this thread comes at 1979 Dijon.
The race itself is considered as a GROAT contender due to the contest between Gilles Villeneuve and René Arnoux. The pair crossed the line separated by 2/10ths of a second.
But - which was the greatest drive that day?
Arnoux's recovery through the field having dropped to ninth at the end of the first lap?
Villeneuve's early lap battles with Jabouille in a less favoured car, eventually burning up his tyres in the process. Then fighting off Arnoux at the end of the race to take second?
Or Jean-Pierre Jabouille finishing 15 seconds ahead of the field and being untouchable in the latter half of the race?
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