Official United States Grand Prix 2018: Grand Prix Weekend Thread

**Born Racer** · 19 Oct 2018, 11:47 (Ref:3857727)

We're back in Austin.

E.B · 19 Oct 2018, 12:17 (Ref:3857730)

Hmmmm a 5:10am Monday start time for me. Recording devices for this one.

Greem · 19 Oct 2018, 12:28 (Ref:3857734)

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Hmmmm a 5:10am Monday start time for me. Recording devices for this one.

Should be starting just as I get back from the BRSCC Mazda finals at Donington. Overalls off, feet up, beer, F1!

S griffin · 19 Oct 2018, 14:21 (Ref:3857758)

Looking forward to it, this is a circuit that overtaking does happen on

**bjohnsonsmith** · 19 Oct 2018, 19:08 (Ref:3857798)

Great intro as ever,

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Like the late James Hunt would say, "It's all over bar the shouting", as Lulu pretty much has this in the bag. This is the 7th running of the race at COTA and he's won here 5 times, the only other winner being Vettee, who looks like being the bridesmaid in the WDC, again.

Armco Bender · 19 Oct 2018, 19:56 (Ref:3857807)

Its raining....I thought Texas was all desert and tumbleweeds?...

E.B · 19 Oct 2018, 20:21 (Ref:3857812)

You should be happy.... your man (Hartley) is currently P3!

ascarracinguk · 19 Oct 2018, 21:12 (Ref:3857818)

Vettel with a 3 place grid drop and 20 lines.. “I must slow sufficiently under the red flag”....

E.B · 19 Oct 2018, 21:15 (Ref:3857820)

Sebastian Vettel has received a three-place grid penalty for failing to slow sufficiently for red flags during P1. So even if he qualifies fastest, the best he can do is start 4th.

Game even more over, but no one to blame but himself. Again.

F1Guy · 20 Oct 2018, 00:00 (Ref:3857839)

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Game even more over, but no one to blame but himself. Again.

14 drivers on track at the time the red came out. Only one driver was penalised for exceeding the speed.

Same driver is now asking for a rule change. So is it the ruling that is an issue, or the incompetence of that one driver??

ascarracinguk · 19 Oct 2018, 21:13 (Ref:3857819)

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Its raining....I thought Texas was all desert and tumbleweeds?...

No that’s just Sebs title shot

**ScotsBrutesFan** · 20 Oct 2018, 00:11 (Ref:3857842)

I'd like to see a breakdown of where all the drivers were on the track and their individual speed traces. As was discussed by the SkyF1 guys, if you are in a slow section it's easy not to accelerate. When you are in a high speed section, and given track conditions ... Is jumping hard on the breaks to get below a delta time the safest option, or a more gradual controlled slowdown to that delta speed?

As PDR pointed out, there would or should be a yellow flag displayed in the incident sector as well as the Red flags around the circuit. Where Vettel was there was no additional yellow.

F1Guy · 20 Oct 2018, 00:47 (Ref:3857849)

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Is jumping hard on the breaks to get below a delta time the safest option

No, and it is not what the driver is required to do.

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or a more gradual controlled slowdown to that delta speed?

Correct, and what the driver is required to do. This is what Vettel did not do. He did slow down, but not to the delta, and even increased his speed several times. To add to this, he was not aware what the red flag was for. He was thinking the red was for a stranded car at T9 or T10!

Vettel: "I saw the red flag, I slowed down, I had a look around to see where the car was, potentially stuck in the wall or if there was one around Turn 9 and 10 and then I slowed down significantly to comply with the rules."

No excuses. Slowing down only at a point where he believed there was an issue, but then speeding up at another part of the track that he believed there wasn't an issue. That is just plain dumb, and dangerous - particularly if a marshal was to be on the track to recover a car, debris or something other.

Ocon and Ricciardo were given the same penalty in Japan and Australia respectively. If anything, Ricciardo's penalty in particular was the most unjust of the three.

Skam85 · 20 Oct 2018, 08:28 (Ref:3857885)

Seems like some other drivers also agree with Vettel

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/v...sjean/3198458/

Apparently, inside the paddock, other drivers are not happy that Vettel got this penalty. .
There’s talk in the paddock of a change for next year’s red flag rules. Apparently

F1Guy · 23 Oct 2018, 10:33 (Ref:3858583)

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Apparently, inside the paddock, other drivers are not happy that Vettel got this penalty.

20 drivers in total. 14 drivers on track at the time the red came out. Only 1 got a penalty. 2 said the penalty was harsh. 1 said the rule is 50/50. Then there's the 16 other drivers, who are ok with it and/or have not commented. Not even his team-mate spoke out. Yet we have one person trying to make it sound as if the majority of the "other drivers" have said the penalty for Vettel was harsh??? LOL... let me guess, it's only harsh because it's a red car, and the driver is a favourite??

Skam85 · 23 Oct 2018, 13:09 (Ref:3858616)

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20 drivers in total. 14 drivers on track at the time the red came out. Only 1 got a penalty. 2 said the penalty was harsh. 1 said the rule is 50/50. Then there's the 16 other drivers, who are ok with it and/or have not commented. Not even his team-mate spoke out. Yet we have one person trying to make it sound as if the majority of the "other drivers" have said the penalty for Vettel was harsh??? LOL... let me guess, it's only harsh because it's a red car, and the driver is a favourite??

Cage successfully rattled.

crmalcolm · 23 Oct 2018, 13:34 (Ref:3858624)

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Seems like some other drivers also agree with Vettel
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Apparently, inside the paddock, other drivers are not happy that Vettel got this penalty. .

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[...] 2 said the penalty was harsh. 1 said the rule is 50/50. [...] Yet we have one person trying to make it sound as if the majority of the "other drivers" have said the penalty for Vettel was harsh??? [...]

Where has someone tried to make it sound like a majority?
How many drivers does it take before it can be accepted as some other drivers in the paddock?

Just curious as to how much confidence we can have over reports from 'inside the paddock'? Would you be so kind as to confirm if any of the following 'paddock talk' is a majority?

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Some noise in and around the paddock on a full time drive for Kubica next year.

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A lot of rumours in the Spa paddock about announcements to come in the very near future.

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There are a couple of stories in the paddock on why Ferrari are covering the FOM camera.

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Lots of chatter in the paddock that the FiA did not/have not investigated it thoroughly.

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prolonging the cheating rumours in the paddock further into the season??

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Interesting rumour in the Mexico paddock regarding Ricciardo.

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There's a WILD story going around in the Japanese paddock.

And finally this one, which your own supporting article revealed that 2 drivers were named as raising complaints with the chicane???

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A boring race with hardly any (if any) overtaking I think. Most of the paddock saying the same. The drivers have requested the chicane be removed.

**Adam43** · 23 Oct 2018, 19:11 (Ref:3858690)

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Not even his [Vettel’s] team-mate spoke out.

Who’d have thought?

gert · 23 Oct 2018, 19:54 (Ref:3858704)

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20 drivers in total. 14 drivers on track at the time the red came out. Only 1 got a penalty. 2 said the penalty was harsh. 1 said the rule is 50/50. Then there's the 16 other drivers, who are ok with it and/or have not commented

Even if it is only 2 (or 3) then that's quite a success. I don't think it happens very often that drivers publicly anounce that they find another driver's penalty rather harsh.

And maybe the 16 others weren't asked for their opinion? Who knows ...

Akrapovic · 20 Oct 2018, 09:00 (Ref:3857888)

Vettel is incompetent and has no excuses (despite the drivers backing him up), but Daniel Riccardos equal penalty was unjust.

Good to see another thread in the F1 forum get derailed right on time.

S griffin · 20 Oct 2018, 09:01 (Ref:3857889)

I think it's a bit harsh. Anyway the ball is even more in Lewis' court now

ascarracinguk · 20 Oct 2018, 11:26 (Ref:3857912)

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I think it's a bit harsh. Anyway the ball is even more in Lewis' court now

Harsh?

It’s very clear to all racers from club level upwards. Red flag means slow down and be prepared go stop. Vettel was clearly going too fast and not adhering to the rule. Just another dumb mistake. Not that I think it will make much difference, he will qualify 4/5th and be up to 2/3rd within a couple of laps if the start remains clean

S griffin · 20 Oct 2018, 13:36 (Ref:3857926)

I just think it is telling that most of the drivers seem to agree with him.

ascarracinguk · 20 Oct 2018, 13:47 (Ref:3857929)

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I just think it is telling that most of the drivers seem to agree with him.

And yet the people implementing the rule book don’t. Shock horror divers don’t like to slow down. I’m sorry, he had 27 seconds to slow down adequately and didn’t. As a marshal who has to work on the side of a live track under yellows and under red flags I have ZERO sympathy, especially under a red flag situation when there is absolutely no need to speed back to the pit lane. These are meant to be the best drivers in the world and yet he makes a mistake more akin to a club level racer

jimclark · 20 Oct 2018, 15:33 (Ref:3857943)

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And yet the people implementing the rule book don’t. Shock horror divers don’t like to slow down. I’m sorry, he had 27 seconds to slow down adequately and didn’t. As a marshal who has to work on the side of a live track under yellows and under red flags I have ZERO sympathy, especially under a red flag situation when there is absolutely no need to speed back to the pit lane. These are meant to be the best drivers in the world and yet he makes a mistake more akin to a club level racer

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