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Old 9 Oct 2008, 10:51 (Ref:2307445)   #1
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Grand Prix de Pau Historique 2009(And other possible events)

This came up on the Goodwood thread and I though as no one else had mentioned it I would post the news.

Grand Prix de Pau Historique 2009
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Grand Prix Historique de Pau The Grand Prix de Pau Historique takes a fresh start. Actually, an agreement was signed between the ASA Basco Béarnais (local Automobile Club) and historic events well known organiser Patrick Peter (Le Mans Classic, Tour Auto, Ronde du Ventoux, Classic Endurance Racing ….- for a new look Grand Prix de Pau Historique.

The quality and the fame of this magic town circuit –same as Monaco-, combined with Peter Auto's know how and experience should allow the Grand Prix de Pau Historique to join the "must do" exclusive club in worldwide historic motor racing field.

The Grand Prix de Pau Historique should take place every other year, giving the owners of major cars the promise of a high level event by turn with the Le Mans Classic and the Grand Prix Historique of Monaco.

Next event: 23 & 24 May 2009.


Pau is not a place for the faint of heart...........but could be a fantastic weekend.

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Old 9 Oct 2008, 11:04 (Ref:2307452)   #2
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so definitively not a good idea to move the Silverstone classic to the May Bank Holiday weekend.....

The Mont Ventoux Hillclimb revival is also done by Peter. Possibly at a date when the snow has disappeared. Will it bring out the Shelsley Walsh cars? It will be the long stretch from Bedoin to the top, 19 km...(I did it once on a bicycle)
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Old 9 Oct 2008, 11:18 (Ref:2307462)   #3
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We are talking about UK based teams and there is an end of May gap in their calenders although I think Masters have one of their meetings on the same date as Pau.The Pau meeting lost money for some of the organisers this year.Pau made sense when it was one week after Monaco.Less Uk Teams will want to visit Europe so cater to their needs at home.I am still not convienced about Classic Endurance as its just one race for one car.Many owners want at least two races for two cars should one go wrong.This is why the Motor Racing Legends series are expanding.
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Old 9 Oct 2008, 11:25 (Ref:2307469)   #4
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We are talking about UK based teams and there is an end of May gap in their calenders although I think Masters have one of their meetings on the same date as Pau.The Pau meeting lost money for some of the organisers this year.Pau made sense when it was one week after Monaco.Less Uk Teams will want to visit Europe so cater to their needs at home.I am still not convienced about Classic Endurance as its just one race for one car.Many owners want at least two races for two cars should one go wrong.This is why the Motor Racing Legends series are expanding.
CER allows more cars by one owner (see for instance Claude Nahum, who brings his GT40 and his Lola T70, and his GT40 went wrong at the last race in Silverstone)

Does the Pau event concentrate on open wheelers like Monaco or will there be a more mixed field?
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Old 9 Oct 2008, 11:26 (Ref:2307472)   #5
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The Mont Ventoux Hillclimb revival is also done by Peter. Possibly at a date when the snow has disappeared. Will it bring out the Shelsley Walsh cars? It will be the long stretch from Bedoin to the top, 19 km...(I did it once on a bicycle)
Not too sure that these events will cater to the same people. I realise that originally hillclimbs (of this type) attracted racing cars from all areas of motorsport but these days the cars are very different for each discipline. With the exception of the pre war cars its unlikely to atttract the pre 65 GP cars and of course the tin tops too.

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Not too sure that these events will cater to the same people. I realise that originally hillclimbs (of this type) attracted racing cars from all areas of motorsport but these days the cars are very different for each discipline. With the exception of the pre war cars its unlikely to atttract the pre 65 GP cars and of course the tin tops too.

(Thread title amended slightly).
Well I am hoping to see some of the "small tank capacity" specialities coming out of hibernation. The last time I saw the unique Ferrari 212E in action was at the FoS in 2002. May be we can see some of the Klausen cars as well.
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The Ventoux Hillclimb can cater for all cars .Its superb.
Pau can be expensive with no run off areas
Classic Endurance Weekends-Pieter,In my opinion it would be better if there were two Historic races catering for seperate types of car.Not two cars for one race.Last week at Spa we had three cars in four seperate races.
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The Ventoux Hillclimb can cater for all cars .Its superb.
Pau can be expensive with no run off areas
Classic Endurance Weekends-Pieter,In my opinion it would be better if there were two Historic races catering for seperate types of car.Not two cars for one race.Last week at Spa we had three cars in four seperate races.
I agree with you about the limited time offered for the CER, but it is only a supporting programme to the main LMS race. We can start to try to convince Guillaume that one race on Saturday and one race on Sunday morning would be more attractive.
Ventoux will indeed be superb (also from a photographers point of view ) Logistics would be a bit of problem, but it is planned to accommodate everybody in Gap.
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Perhaps I should clarify. I meant that I doubt if the same owners/drivers would be attracted to a hillclimb as those who race. And yes I realise 19km is more than a normal hill.
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Perhaps I should clarify. I meant that I doubt if the same owners/drivers would be attracted to a hillclimb as those who race. And yes I realise 19km is more than a normal hill.
well it may lure out racers who hardly get an opportunity to race at all. Don't want to sound blase, but another event for the usual suspects would be less interesting for me...
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there is a similar thread on the other place - as has been said before next year is going to be tough and I predict that most "clubbies" will concentrate on domestic rounds. Given that Pau has relied so much on Brits historically it could suffer. I haven't been since the old mayor pegged it but I gather it has lost a lot of its original charm....
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there is a similar thread on the other place - as has been said before next year is going to be tough and I predict that most "clubbies" will concentrate on domestic rounds. Given that Pau has relied so much on Brits historically it could suffer. I haven't been since the old mayor pegged it but I gather it has lost a lot of its original charm....
maybe the Peter organisation is confident that they can attract more entrants than only Brits. There are historic racers in other countries too
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henk,

You may well have a point re the usual suspects but then again who else is there?

I also think the economic climate may well mitigate against the bigger events, especially those that rely to a greater extent upon corporate funding.

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I have to type this or my brain will explode!

With the nationlisation of banks throughout the world, the rules for expenditure of companies will necessarily be changed and if it don't contribute to the bills, there may be restrictions applied. It may therefore come down to those of us who fund our own racing and indeed enter events where the spectators don't affect the viability of the event (closed meetings) to keep the club/historic racing scene going. All of which means the major festivals may well suffer in the near to medium term.

Thanks for reading, you've been a wonderful audience. Don't forget to try the veal and tip your waitress. We now return you to the topic


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strip all the Brits out of the Pau meeting and it would be a thin card.... same as Spa 6 Hour meeting. That is not me talking up the British historic racing scene merely a point of fact. Mind you the problems that we are experiencing are hardly limit to us so I think the Euro's and Americans will possibly think twice before venturing over to us....
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Ventoux is worth saving the pennies for(or rials)Four or Five runs really sort men from boys
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