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GRAND PRIX DE MONACO HISTORIQUE
Calendar: Historic Racing
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8 May 2020 to 10 May 2020 06:00 to 17:00
*The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
Location: Monaco

No, not a typo on the year- it really is 2020. That's how far ahead the bi-annual event is planned by the Automobile Club de Monaco. No excuse not to get the time off work booked, at least....

For the 12th running, there will be 7 Races – Restricted to cars that took part in international races and that are in conformity with the regulation for the relevant period.

RACE A LOUIS CHIRON - Pre-war Grand Prix cars and Voiturettes

Class 1- Grand Prix cars
Class 2- Pre-war Voiturettes

RACE B JUAN-MANUEL FANGIO
- Grand Prix cars with front engine built from 1946 to 1960

Class 1- Cars built between January 1st 1946 and December 31st 1953 fitted with a supercharged engine of maximum capacity 1500cc or with non-supercharged engine of maximum capacity 4500cc.
Class 2- Formula 2 cars built before December 31st 1953, with non-supercharged engine and a maximum engine capacity of 2000cc.
Class 3- Formula 1 cars built between January 1st 1954 and December 31st 1960 with non-supercharged engines of a maximum capacity 2500cc, or supercharged engines of maximum capacity 750cc.

RACE C VITTORIO MARZOTTO - Front-engine Sport Racing cars from 1952 to 1957

Class 1- Cars equipped with capacity engine from 1.5L to 2L.
Class 2- Cars with an engine capacity of more than 2L fitted with drum brakes.
Class 3- Cars with an engine capacity of more than 2L fitted with disk brakes.

RACE D GRAHAM HILL - F1 Grand Prix cars from 1961 to 1965

Class 1- Cars equipped with a 4 or 6 cylinders engine.
Class 2- Cars equipped with a 8 or 12 cylinders engine.

RACE E JACKIE STEWART
- F1 Grand Prix cars 3L from 1966 to 1972

Class 1- Cars raced in F1 Grand Prix in between January 1st 1966 and December 31st 1969.
Class 2- Cars built between January 1st 1970 and December 31st 1972, equipped with a Ford-Cosworth DFV engine.
Class 3- Cars built between January 1st 1970 and December 31st 1972, equipped with other engines.

RACE F NIKI LAUDA - F1 Grand Prix cars 3L from 1973 to 1976

Class 1- Cars equipped with a Ford-Cosworth DFV engine
Class 2- Cars equipped with other engines.

RACE G GILLES VILLENEUVE - F1 Grand Prix cars 3L from 1977 to 1980

Class 1- Cars designed not to exploit the ground effect.
Class 2- Cars designed to exploit the ground effect, equipped with a Ford-Cosworth DFV engine.
Class 3- Cars designed to exploit the ground effect, equipped with other engines.

And in French should you prefer...

SERIE A LOUIS CHIRON - Voitures de Grand Prix et Voiturettes d’avant-guerre

Classe 1- Voitures de Grand Prix
Classe 2- Voiturettes d’avant-guerre

SERIE B JUAN-MANUEL FANGIO - Voitures de Grand Prix à moteur avant construites entre 1946 et 1960

Classe 1- Voitures construites entre le 1er Janvier 1946 et le 31 Décembre 1953, équipées d’un moteur à compresseur de 1500 cm3 maximum ou d’un moteur sans compresseur de 4500 cm3 maximum.
Classe 2- Voitures de Formule 2 construites avant le 31 Décembre 1953, dont la cylindrée n’excède pas 2000 cm3 sans compresseur.
Classe 3- Voitures de Formule 1 construites entre le 1er Janvier 1954 et le 31 Décembre 1960, dont la cylindrée n’excède pas 2500 cm3 ou de 750 cm3 avec compresseur.

SERIE C VITTORIO MARZOTTO - Voitures de Sport à moteur avant de 1952 à 1957

Classe 1- Voitures dotées d’un moteur entre 1.5L et 2L.
Classe 2- Voitures dotées d’un moteur de plus de 2L et équipées de freins à tambour.
Classe 3- Voitures dotées d’un moteur de plus de 2L et équipées de freins à disque.

SERIE D GRAHAM HILL - Voitures de Grand Prix 1500 de 1961 à 1965

Classe 1- Voitures équipées d’un moteur de 4 ou 6 cylindres.
Classe 2- Voitures équipées d'un moteur de 8 ou 12 cylindres.

SERIE E JACKIE STEWART - Voitures de Grand Prix 3L de 1966 à 1972

Classe 1- Voitures ayant participé à des Grand Prix de F1 entre le 1er Janvier 1966 et le 31 Décembre 1969.
Classe 2- Voitures construites entre le 1er Janvier 1970 et le 31 Décembre 1972, équipées d’un moteur Ford-Cosworth DFV.
Classe 3- Voitures construites entre le 1er Janvier 1970 et le 31 Décembre 1972, équipées d’un autre moteur.

SERIE F NIKI LAUDA - Voitures de Grand Prix 3L de 1973 à 1976

Classe 1- Voitures équipées d’un moteur Ford-Cosworth DFV.
Classe 2- Voitures équipées d’un autre moteur.

SERIE G GILLES VILLENEUVE - Voitures de Grand Prix 3L de 1977 à 1980

Classe 1- Voitures conçues sans effet de sol.
Classe 2- Voitures conçues avec effet de sol et équipées d’un moteur Ford-Cosworth DFV.
Classe 3- Voitures conçues avec effet de sol et équipées d’un autre moteur.
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Old 21 Feb 2020, 15:32 (Ref:3959051)   #46
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Yes puzzling to say the least… Two ATS are entered, the one you mention should be driven by Ch Perrier. First thought is it will be for sale after the race.
Did you have a look to all the Cooper pics? Iain at wheel?
If you can say "croissants" and "Assegai" in french, the last is for sale!
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My missus suggested the same (her dad has a car entered) so we're doing an organised tour with these guys - www.grandprixgrandtours.com. looks pretty cheap, think they're struggling to shift the tickets.

Corona virus probably not helping. wonder how many empty grandstand we'll see on the telly this year
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this the latest official info from the ACM

its a nearly a week old
which is an eternity nowadays

https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/12/...avirus-threat/

they have started to construct the circuit and for the moment assume that both events, the regular GP and the GP Historique will take place

The F1 GP is near end of May, there might be a slim chance

the Historic GP is two weeks earlier
usually the curtain raiser
Cant see that this will work out


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[QUOTE=Rudernst;3965280]this the latest official info from the ACM

its a nearly a week old
which is an eternity nowadays

https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/12/...avirus-threat/

they have started to construct the circuit and for the moment assume that both events, the regular GP and the GP Historique will take place

The F1 GP is near end of May, there might be a slim chance

the Historic GP is two weeks earlier
usually the curtain raiser
Cant see that this will work

I wonder if they can't run it two weeks before but run the GP could they run it two weeks after?
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Cant see that this will work
All the difference between what they want/ wish and the reality, Rudolf.
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this the latest official info from the ACM

its a nearly a week old
which is an eternity nowadays

https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/12/...avirus-threat/

they have started to construct the circuit and for the moment assume that both events, the regular GP and the GP Historique will take place

The F1 GP is near end of May, there might be a slim chance

the Historic GP is two weeks earlier
usually the curtain raiser
Cant see that this will work

I wonder if they can't run it two weeks before but run the GP could they run it two weeks after?
In theory they could do that
I think that the GP Historque has a long lead time because of the many overseas entries.
so unlikely in my opinionm but yes, an option
If I were the ACM, I would postpone the GP Historique to 2021.
Its a bi-annual event

on the other hand, nobody knows when the proper F1 Monaco GP will happen, so too early to tell when the tacked on GP Historique can take place

I also suspect that there is limit to time that the good citizens of Monaco will accept having all the temporary barriers installed in their streets.
They have started building the track, takes 6 weeks apparently
dismantling might be hald of that
if the F1 GP is shifted to June
then the barriers wont come completely until July
having been put in March

Marcus will know more than me

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Don’t get to excited!
Eff1 gang are looking towards end of June before their jamboree starts so no Monaco for old bags of bolts.
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Don’t get to excited!
Eff1 gang are looking towards end of June before their jamboree starts so no Monaco for old bags of bolts.

Eff1 could perhaps adopt the NASCAR model and have a race every weekend for a few months?
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They will move the calendar, they have already moved the summer break to now and are looking to postpone the 2021 rules to 2022.
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Official PR from FIA and F1 postpone the Dutch, Spanish and Monaco GP so the Historic will presumably be cancelled I would believe.
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They will move the calendar, they have already moved the summer break to now and are looking to postpone the 2021 rules to 2022.

Moving the "Summer Break" to the end of winter whilst most of the world is at forced to stay at home and then, presumably, trying to fit in as many GPs as possible in what ever is left of the year ... seems like a rather poor solution to me.

Certainly nothing like the "spirit" of what the Summer break was meant to be whilst at the same time the organisers try to squeeze in as many new race events as they think people will pay for.

Members of the teams who have families that they might wish to holiday with after the worst of this virus problem is passed (or at least might like to have the hope that such an option could be available to them) may not be best pleased.

There again - perhaps the entire season will eventually need to be abandoned due to decisions outside the control of the organisers.
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Louis,
what will that mean for the cut off dates of Historic Formula 1 in 2061 ?
What cars to buy now to be eligible for the pre 2021 class ??

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what will that mean for the cut off dates of Historic Formula 1 in 2061 ?
What cars to buy now to be eligible for the pre 2021 class ??

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Monaco GP and Historique cancelled. Dutch and Spanish GP's postponed.
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What cars to buy now to be eligible for the pre 2021 class ??
May be you can do something with a Mini Moke, you never know!
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