TCR Australia 2022

[one five five]

Any word on next years calendar. Will TCR, S5000, TA and TCM still be with Shannon’s or will Shannon’s become little more than proddies and old Porsche’s?

[bathurst77]

I hear J Moff wont be back in Trans am.... not 100% onthat

[2 litre Touring Car Star]

Well, here's a start.

https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/12/09...HfW_4h4vN90K_0

[Mixer]

You'd think with a dearth of large commercial backing and the series needing to stand on it's own two feet, that Shannons provides a lower cost than running on the Supercar card.

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by Mixer

You'd think with a dearth of large commercial backing and the series needing to stand on it's own two feet, that Shannons provides a lower cost than running on the Supercar card.

I think with the ownership crossover we are going to see a lot more of Supercar drivers competing in both TCR and GT.That means keeping their calendars separate.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Alan52

I think with the ownership crossover we are going to see a lot more of Supercar drivers competing in both TCR and GT.That means keeping their calendars separate.

If we are competing for the same eyes is it not the best approach?

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[Average Punter]

Wouldn't you love to see peckstar vrs 2 litre Touring Car Star in UFC???

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by Average Punter

Wouldn't you love to see peckstar vrs 2 litre Touring Car Star in UFC???

Hmmm - pecky disappears from the forum, not heard from again - short time later 2ltcs appears, backs a different horse but takes a similar approach to other posters as pecky - spooky huh? Maybe pecky got hit by lightning or something and came back under a different guise. Or maybe not.

[Umai Naa]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Hmmm - pecky disappears from the forum, not heard from again - short time later 2ltcs appears, backs a different horse but takes a similar approach to other posters as pecky - spooky huh? Maybe pecky got hit by lightning or something and came back under a different guise. Or maybe not.

You're only saying what everyone is thinking.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

You're only saying what everyone is thinking.

Good that I’m maintaining my bad habit of stating the obvious!

[one five five]

TCR Corolla has broken cover in Argentina.

Surely ARG needs to do all it can to get one here?

[Backagain]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Hmmm - pecky disappears from the forum, not heard from again - short time later 2ltcs appears, backs a different horse but takes a similar approach to other posters as pecky - spooky huh? Maybe pecky got hit by lightning or something and came back under a different guise. Or maybe not.

Nah, Pecky made a lot more sense than 2little and could sometimes argue the post rather than the poster.

[Umai Naa]

This forum is just a means to get off on arguing with people, and hopefully being right.

Some people haven't come to that realisation that.

[2 litre Touring Car Star]

Originally Posted by Casper

So when electric powered cars are the dominant style of road car you will welcome them with open arms

I would acknowledge their merit as the designated top class.

Originally Posted by Casper

and declare two litre cars dead as a race category?

As an outright designated top tier class, that time will come.

I wouldn't declare it as 2-litre cars are the end of ICE engines and have a long use-by date.

Originally Posted by Casper

That day is going to be a hard swallow for a lot of people.

It might be if the atcc class goes from 5 litre to electric. But if that transition ever occurs, domestic motorsport here would be driven into the ground so deep that the cries won't have an impact.

Originally Posted by Casper

As a non believer why do you frequent a forum for a racing class you clearly hate and despise,

It's not about whether or not I like a particular class, it's about Australian motorsport as a whole. The attachment to the 5litre V8 ideology/myth is BS and has been to the detriment to Aus motorsport as a whole.

Originally Posted by Casper

what exactly do you think you add to this forum and what made you start to contribute.

Well, as far as what satisfaction others get, I don't know.

There's no question I point to a blindspot in Aus motorsport discussion. It's not just here, but elsewhere on the web and Aus motorsport as a whole. It's been a weakness of Aus motorsport for at least 2 decades now. ?


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Originally Posted by Casper

No one here is going to change because your POV is not the same as what drives this forum so I guess it is purely a sniping, criticism thing that trolls generally have.

People might not change their views because of me, but it's to their weakness that they don't have a broader view of racing.

5 litre V8s are outdated and don't belong as a top touring car class. They're for specialty racing (GT or non-professional national class), which is what Supercars kind of are, and will be in 2023.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by 2 litre Touring Car Star

I wouldn't declare it as 2-litre cars are the end of ICE engines and have a long use-by date.

Not in Europe, their life span is very limited and we drive what others make so not here either. Toyota have in recent days declared the ICE engine dead.

[2 litre Touring Car Star]

You are forecasting that, and you have done a lot.

The hybrid/electric revolution is still some time away. A series doesn't have to be on the money to the year as far as what cars manufacturers are selling (Because that's still ahead of time) and what consumers are buying, but lag that's within a range.

2 litre cars could still be designated as a top tier touring car class, even in Europe when supposedly hybrid and/or electric cars become the norm or be included in a multi car class.

This is not the case with 5litre V8s, which exists nowadays primarily because of vested interests, it's a known quantity, and domestic motor racing down here is a smaller culture. They are otherwise out of place.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by 2 litre Touring Car Star

This is not the case with 5litre V8s, which exists nowadays primarily because of vested interests, it's a known quantity, and domestic motor racing down here is a smaller culture. They are otherwise out of place.

Which of the series listed below are larger domestic sports in terms of event attendance (as % of population) and media coverage in their respective countries?

BTCC or Supercars

DTM or Supercars

SuperGT or Supercars

Turismo Carretera or Supercars

[Just Do It!]

For memory, when I watched American Beauty, wasn't the guy who was most anti-gay actually the elephant in the closet? Funny that.....

[chavez]

A series that was a reflection of what was happening on Australian roads swapped out the turbo-diesels for V8's......

[E.B]

Originally Posted by chavez

A series that was a reflection of what was happening on Australian roads swapped out the turbo-diesels for V8's......

So true though.

[FIRE]

If you want manufacturers officially involved the engine is important.

[Umai Naa]

If Mazda were so keen on TCR, they'd have come up with their own solution for their engine, or lack thereof, dilemma.

Obviously, to some manufacturers, motorsport is not that big of a deal.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Obviously, to some manufacturers, motorsport is not that big of a deal.

Of course motorsport is a big deal to Mazda:



However, it is made very clear to Mazda by the European Union that they are not particularly welcome to sell Japanese-made cars in Europe thanks to that 9.8% import tariff. For better or worse, TCR is a primarily European racing category, and full importers like Mazda or Subaru are heavily disadvantaged by tariffs.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Of course motorsport is a big deal to Mazda:



However, it is made very clear to Mazda by the European Union that they are not particularly welcome to sell Japanese-made cars in Europe thanks to that 9.8% import tariff. For better or worse, TCR is a primarily European racing category, and full importers like Mazda or Subaru are heavily disadvantaged by tariffs.

The IMSA project came to an end.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by FIRE

The IMSA project came to an end.

Sure! Yet the import tariff doesn't end until 2031, such a protectionist tariff is absurd wouldn't you say?