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Old 14 Feb 2018, 00:32 (Ref:3801158)   #16
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Note the prices are advertised as Earlybird, which implies nearer the event or on the gate prices could be higher.

Looking at ticket prices for the US events, they are $35 which is around £25, so the single day price is a bit higher at current exchange rates, but the weekend price works out the same.

In the past the Series has ended on a double header so I don't think that its a case of "And it's two meetings in two days to make sure the yanks all turn up! And also so they can charge the same both days, max profit." as mention above.

I haven't seen mention of GRC Lites, but if they are coming, and a few from RX2 or Rallycross on Ice Cars/Drivers are allowed to race, want to race, and if their cars are not en route to South Africa. There is great potential.

Just as shame about the clash of dates with the BTRDA on the Saturday, especially as the event has moved forward from its more usual November date.
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Old 14 Feb 2018, 08:22 (Ref:3801212)   #17
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Only time will tell with this event, nearer the time entries will be revealed and other classes and rules for current competitive cars eligible or not. Not got a clue how many entrants in the GRC so yes may be expensive but the big thing for me is the fact that it's rallycross a different organisation which means Lydden hill has opened its eyes and jumped out of the bed it was nicely tucked up in with the other sXXXe!
It's a start, and a nice change Foust is a class act has been missed these past 4 yrs by moi!

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Old 14 Feb 2018, 08:31 (Ref:3801215)   #18
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I would be cautious about buying tickets before we know what the support races are and who is driving. I do not expect many privateers looking forward to a 70ft. tabletop jump.

I also do not expect ERX drivers present. As per the Kent article, Doran snubbed IMG to get GRC. IMG will not allow a serious rival series to get a foothold in Europe. If ERX drivers are tempted to do the GRC races, I expect they will then be persuaded by IMG to join the WRX in South Africa instead.
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Old 14 Feb 2018, 09:23 (Ref:3801235)   #19
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I wonder what the details of ERX standalone event were. If Pat says it wasn't big enough in favour of GRC (which, as set out above, is quite small in terms of entries). If it was full ERX supercar , super 1600 and touring car then that would be preferable in my opinion. Maybe it was only one or two of those classes... Guess we'll never know.

I think it's an exciting opportunity that, with proper effort to bring support series and action to the fans and good entries, could be very exciting.
I'd like to see Swifts and British supercars there in support. Then maybe a UK v US showdown at the end. But I suspect that will never happen as the GRC wouldn't want it overlapping their show.
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Old 14 Feb 2018, 10:01 (Ref:3801247)   #20
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IMG could never "persuade" drivers to go to South Africa, the most expensive trip besides from the North American rounds.

Firstly, the round is two months after the last ERX round and preparations for next season might have started for some already. Otherwise, it definitely will have started during the SA round.

Going there means getting the car back close to Xmas, at that point you are already behind schedule if you are to use that car again for the upcoming season. Possible damages during the round would just delay preparations and add more costs.

Secondly, they wouldn't stand a chance against the WRX cars and drivers. It would be a meaningless trip competition wise.

If IMG covered all the costs (more than unlikely), then they might go. They would still risk their cars though and push preparations ahead of themselves.

I get that IMG probably opposes ERX regulars going to Lydden. But for an ERX regular it would make more sense than going to SA. I doubt they even have that kind of extra money at the end of the season and want to risk the upcoming season going there.
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Old 14 Feb 2018, 11:59 (Ref:3801279)   #21
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Always nice to see you blessing another thread with your eternal optimism Chunder.

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Only time will tell with this event, nearer the time entries will be revealed and other classes and rules for current competitive cars eligible or not.
Yeah, I agree. If they can get a handful of decent British and European cars on the entry then I think that will go a long way to justifying the cost. The numbers of regular drivers may not be quite as high as the World Championship, but each day is a complete event so with a few extra cars we should see 15+ Supercar races including at least three finals (four with enough cars).

The difference in regulation is in an interesting point, but I'm not sure it will be too much of an issue. As of last year the GRC didn't have the same ECU restrictions as the World Championship, so I think the differences may be limited to tyres and fuel? The latter point might affect mapping on British/European cars, but that's not a major issue to get round.

Race Tech did discuss the Championship regulation differences a year or so ago (when they covered the OMSE Civic). Will have to dig the article out and refresh my memory on the subject.
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I wonder what the details of ERX standalone event were. If Pat says it wasn't big enough in favour of GRC (which, as set out above, is quite small in terms of entries). If it was full ERX supercar , super 1600 and touring car then that would be preferable in my opinion. Maybe it was only one or two of those classes... Guess we'll never know.
Yeah, would be interesting to know what is/was being proposed there. Sure Pat would have been part of the presentation with regards to the electrification of World Rallycross and, as alluded to in the Kent Online article, the idea of standalone European events could be much more appealing in a couple of years time.

I have said in the other thread (and it is really related to the subject of this thread), but I think the way in which the future of the European Championship is handled is absolutely critical now.
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Old 14 Feb 2018, 12:26 (Ref:3801286)   #22
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Gonna be expensive.
Rent a winter ready camper.
Rent a big ass 4x4 to get the camper out of the field.
See 10 cars going slow in the knee deep mudwater.
Hmm.
Pat better comes up quickly with some side programs to make it worthwhile.
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Old 14 Feb 2018, 17:23 (Ref:3801325)   #23
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I know if it was an ERX round I would already have bought a ticket, but as others have said until I know what I'm getting for my money, which may not be for some time, I will wait and see. Unfortunately it seems the GRC is on the decline, fewer cars and US circuits hardly queuing up to hold a round but maybe actually going global to a degree will help rejuvenate the championship.

One more thought, how about incorporating the grand prix into the event, may help to appeal to drivers from Europe and give the gp a meaning and a little more prestige again.
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Old 14 Feb 2018, 18:30 (Ref:3801352)   #24
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Wasn't there some news about a buggy class? Polaris or something? I expect we'll see those.

I just hope the parking is sorted out... I've seen people struggle to get off the hill in May, never mind October when I expect it'll have been raining for ages.

Looks like they'll be running in the dark too, with 6&7pm finishes. It's going to be chaos, isn't it?
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Old 14 Feb 2018, 18:50 (Ref:3801355)   #25
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IMG is not good, GRC is not good...
Is rallycross any good at all for some of you?

Yes indeed, the GRC is even a bigger "show" then IMG, Pat Doran at least shows he wants to bring ALL rallycross to Lydden.

Don't think (hope) the Polaris class will join the Lydden Hill race.

The interview with Pat Doran confirms what i said months ago...
The WRX - ERX split race dates in the next years.
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Old 14 Feb 2018, 19:58 (Ref:3801372)   #26
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I am not American and I don't follow GRC so I have no idea how it is going over there. I have watched the odd rcae and it is similar to WRX, first bend carnage, jumps, awful joker laps, but their dirt sections seem to hold up better.

They have done a decent job in marketing, using Dirt games and Iracing to launch an off road part of that game, therby making people aware of it who play games. Something WRX have also tried and failed at really.

Indeed Scott Speed did himself no favours by getting himself banned for ramming people constantly in Iracing and being banned, nice you cretin.

From what I see the tracks are OK, not as good as old tracks but about the same as WRX car parks.

They don't get big grids, and if it wasn't for Eriksson I think the series would have died as he basically provides most of the cars with RX Lites too. With old Fiestas and his Honda's. Only Subaru have really maintained an interest after Saab, Dodge and Hyundai realised what a waste of money it was.

BTRDA are on same day, IMG will not allow anything WRX, ERX related to run there unless it's totally separate as they are going to South Africa and the two classes cant run together anyway, neither WRX or GRC.

Regarding the split. This will only happen if someone comes up with a ton of cash, and I mean millions. Somehow IMG bought the rights to ERC, ERX etc as that was all that existed when they bought it, they created WRX, ERX is what it used to be.

They are not stupid and clearly wrote into their WRX contract that if anyone wants to split ERC away again they will have to pay a substantial fee. Plus you would not be allowed likely to run on existing WRX tracks (lets face it, who in their right mind would want to anyway). They need it as electric will be garbage for live fans and they need a support system, and the money they bring in entry fees and reg fees.

So the only chance for a new series is for a Pat, or someone like that to put the money into it. He would have no problem getting the old hardcore fans, or the old tracks like Belgium, Holland, Poland, Hungary, Czecho.

What he would have an problem with is making it worthwhile for drivers to leave the IMG cash grab and go with him. Or whoever it is. It will happen in my view but IMG will make it so damned difficult. Hate to say I told you so, and I was full of hope when they initially took over. But they might well do a Stott here and split rallycross apart globally.
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Old 14 Feb 2018, 21:32 (Ref:3801388)   #27
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According to the Lydden website, "will also serve as the inaugural season finale for the series’ new Polaris RZR® class" So they will be there. No word about the lites.
Also 'selected wildcards as the UK takes on the USA'. So non IMG, UK supercars might enter. Hopefully they have a championship regulation in which this is regulated and the 'wildcards' can't mess with the championship. While that might make great american drama, I hate it when that happens.

Mivec, you have to admit, 10 cars like last year is a bit poor.

Any word about the electric serie they promised in 2016 for the 2018 season?
Why no public regulations?

https://www.lyddenhill.co.uk/2018/02...season-finale/

http://redbullglobalrallycross.com/n...s-2018-season/
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Old 15 Feb 2018, 07:20 (Ref:3801477)   #28
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10 cars is poor for a raceday, indeed.

@Chunder: i don't mean a split for ERX and WRX.
Just some dates where only ERX, super1600 or so are racing, and some days where WRX and ERX are on the list...

In this case: 30 cars ERX, 30 cars in super1600 makes a fine race weekend to me! Even without the big WRX names. This could give the ERX guys a chance to stand in the spotlight.
Now they are driving in the shadow!

In my opinion there is no room for an extra rallycross championship, as the Rallycross Challenge did not make it, all drivers want to do IMG WRX or ERX.
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Old 15 Feb 2018, 08:28 (Ref:3801497)   #29
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30 cars in WRX may be achieved in some round but privateers can't match them really so they might enter ERX instead.

There are drivers who have opted for other championships instead of WRX and ERX. RallyX is doing good with some former ERX drivers, long time since there were this many Supercars, and the French championship seems to be doing good as well (even if it always has). There are some drivers who have complained about the rising costs of ERX too.

As for GRC, I have heard that Eriksson grown tired of it and left.

Only Subaru and VW could be considered somewhat manufacture, though Subaru's first cars were built by Ingvar Gunnarsson. Saab was never in on it, just a collaboration between Eklund and Scott.

Hyundai sponsored Millen but he built the car himself I think and the engine was prepared by Godfrey.

The Dodges were actually built by OMSE in Sweden and ran by a privateer team.
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Besides GRC is there any local or regional rallycross in the US?
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