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Old 4 Nov 2016, 13:18 (Ref:3685320)   #31
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I don't like F3 drivers jumping straight to F1. Anything less will seem a side move, rather than a step up.
I don't think it matters where a driver comes from as long as they are high extreemy high caliber and able to get the job done ..
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Old 4 Nov 2016, 13:19 (Ref:3685321)   #32
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Its a calculated risk on both sides.

Williams need both drivers to score well to do well in constructors championship, and to get the financial rewards that success brings (because it also deprives rivals of money)

Stroll needs to do a decent job otherwise his career will be always be blighted as a kid with more money than talent. He could do a season in GP3 / GP2 or equivalence, but they are hoping that he has the talent to make the jump.

Having the financial backing helps.

Yes, he will make mistakes, he will have good weekends, he will have bad weekends, even the top drivers do that. He'll have to get used to a different level of media attention, and probably criticism from the media and supporters.

Whilst I am sure Prema will miss Stroll Snr's cheques, having been the team to beat for the past couple of seasons will mean they probably won't have too much problems attacting drivers, and coming back down to reality. Enjoy the sun whilst it shines, and reap the rewards...
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Old 4 Nov 2016, 14:55 (Ref:3685335)   #33
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I see him as nothing more than another Pedro Diniz, to be honest.
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Old 4 Nov 2016, 15:49 (Ref:3685343)   #34
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Perdro Diniz never won an F3 title. In fact he never even came close. But nevertheless did not disgrace himself in F1.

If you meant this as an insult to Stroll, then there a many many worse pay drivers to choose from.
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Old 4 Nov 2016, 19:56 (Ref:3685381)   #35
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I'm going to give Lance Stroll the benefit of the doubt, and reserve judgement.
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Old 4 Nov 2016, 20:45 (Ref:3685392)   #36
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Imagine the scenario where a driver with the age and results of Lance Stroll were promoted to the Williams F1 team. The one difference being that he has a group of sponsors and his father is not well known and is able to bankroll a limited amount of his racing.

Would there be nothing but praise for the lad? Would we not see it as Williams signing a potential star of the future? Would the only thing we could knock Williams down for would be banking too much on inexperience? And could that point not be countered with praise for such a gamble given the junior formulae results of this driver?

It's quite pathetic really. I don't think he'd be near F1 had he have won a race in F3, got 6 podiums and finished 7th in the championship regardless of his dad's pockets.

And as for what Stroll can achieve in F1, only time will tell.
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I see him as nothing more than another Pedro Diniz, to be honest.
Seeing as Diniz went from pay driver to paid driver as well as garnering respect down the pit-lane, that isn't much of an insult.
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Old 4 Nov 2016, 22:07 (Ref:3685405)   #38
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Imagine the scenario where a driver with the age and results of Lance Stroll were promoted to the Williams F1 team. The one difference being that he has a group of sponsors and his father is not well known and is able to bankroll a limited amount of his racing.

Would there be nothing but praise for the lad? Would we not see it as Williams signing a potential star of the future? Would the only thing we could knock Williams down for would be banking too much on inexperience? And could that point not be countered with praise for such a gamble given the junior formulae results of this driver?

It's quite pathetic really. I don't think he'd be near F1 had he have won a race in F3, got 6 podiums and finished 7th in the championship regardless of his dad's pockets.

And as for what Stroll can achieve in F1, only time will tell.
Amen.
I haven't watched a lot of F3 this year but based on his results I see nothing strange about him joining an F1-team.

In my mind, the issue is when ability is replaced by money, not when it's complemented by it.
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I see him as nothing more than another Pedro Diniz, to be honest.
With the best will in the world, that's a ridiculous comparison. Stroll has won the Italian F4 championship, the Toyota Racing Series and now the European F3 title. Essentially, everything he's contested properly, he's won. Pedro Diniz isn't even in the same league.
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Stroll has just won an F3 title, Diniz never won anything, even though he did improve in F1
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Old 5 Nov 2016, 16:27 (Ref:3685554)   #41
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It is actually an apt comparison, he has a tremendously rich family backing him, and is a handy driver. But he's not going to set the world on fire like some seem to be suggesting.


Also, it's rather denigrating to be automatically assumed to be insulting him.
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Old 5 Nov 2016, 17:26 (Ref:3685573)   #42
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By comparison, Lewis had millions spent on his junior career by McLaren and Mercedes and never sat in any thing but the best car in the best team as he came up the formulae. Ditto most of the recent Red Bull drivers. Would Ericsson have been sat in an F1 car for so long without the largesse of his backers?

To a certain extent many of the current drivers have been paid for on their way to and in F1. Clearly this is clouded when a father funds his son to that extent, as that makes it family patronage over corporate funding, but a dollar is a dollar as the saying goes.

I am looking forward to seeing how he goes and from my limited following of it, any Williams influence on his attitude and performance this year seem to have reaped rewards so far.
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I don't mind drivers buying seats, as long as they deserve them.

Being an F3 champion doesn't make you F1 material. F3 has 200hp and F1 has 700hp cars, there's no correlation.
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I don't mind drivers buying seats, as long as they deserve them.

Being an F3 champion doesn't make you F1 material. F3 has 200hp and F1 has 700hp cars, there's no correlation.
I honestly believe there is more potential in Lance Stroll than in Jolyon Palmer. One is merely an F3 champion, the other is a GP2 champion.

Also, there is a correlation between F3 and F1. That's the entire point. If there was no correlation then wouldn't that make all junior formulae obsolete???
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I don't mind drivers buying seats, as long as they deserve them.

Being an F3 champion doesn't make you F1 material. F3 has 200hp and F1 has 700hp cars, there's no correlation.
It always used to...look back at some of the past British F3 Champions....(not going back too far)

Piquet (2004)
Hakkinen
Herbert
Barrichello
Ricciardo
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and some chap called Senna he did OK...

In fact some drivers (Damon Hill for example and Mark Blundell) never seemed to get on with F3 cars and did much better in big engined cars and many people would argue that for many years F3 cars were over gripped and under powered.
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