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Old 6 Dec 2017, 14:01 (Ref:3785446)   #61
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If the series want to be a world championsip again they must find a stronger forumla/stronger cars than TCR cars.
WTCC worked quite well with the slower S2000 cars... and the car Roberto Ravaglia drove in 1987 to the first WTCC title had 50hp less then TCR. But 3 races per weekend sounds awesome!
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 19:21 (Ref:3785514)   #62
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The news is out: WTCC and TCR International replaced by WTCR Touring Car Cup

https://www.touringcars.net/2017/12/...ouring-car-cup
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 19:27 (Ref:3785516)   #63
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WTCR - World Touring Car Rup ?
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 19:32 (Ref:3785517)   #64
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Maybe the biggest question - how long until the name of this forum is changed...?
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 20:38 (Ref:3785521)   #65
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Im curious to know how it will be the format in the weekend. One race on Saturday and two on sunday or three races on Saturday. Im also interested to know how long the race Will be and how will be made the grid for race 2 and 3. Lets hope that almost all ex wtcc drivers will partecipate next year (except those taxi driver like coronel and michigami) together with the best tcr drivers (just the top 10) and we will have great championship!
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 21:40 (Ref:3785538)   #66
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World Touring Car Cup doesn't sound very well and it looks like a huge degradation - adding less powerful cars and no manufacturers. But at least a good number of entries + a few established names probably. I wish them luck. I wonder what the future holds for the WTCR or however we call it.
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 21:56 (Ref:3785545)   #67
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FIA WTCR 2018: WTCC / TCR Merger?

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WTCR - World Touring Car Rup ?


World - TCR... does anyone even know what TCR has ever stood for???

Touring car racer? Racing?


I think the title shows how firmly Lotti wanted to retain control over his concept.
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Old 7 Dec 2017, 00:12 (Ref:3785565)   #68
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It's good that TCR is the category in use, but there was really no other choice. I hope Lotti keeps a firm grip of it because the FIA will only ruin it if he doesn't.

It's a shame that Eurosport is the promoter, and therefore, broadcaster. The series will have worse coverage than TCR International, like WTCC did.

I don't like the fact that they're limiting wildcard entries. Surely the point of TCR regulations is to make the sport accessible to as many competitors as possible? Why discourage them from competing?

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c) The Series full season entry fee is 40.000 euros per car.
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c) The sum of the Championship entry fee is 39’000 euros.
per car, I guess?

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A minimum of two cars per team must be entered, with a fee of €150,000 applicable for a two-car team.
How do they justify that price hike? Just passing on the cost to teams now that there are no more manufacturers? Or is it just for entrants who wish to compete for the teams' championship, with single car entries being ineligible for that particular title?
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Old 7 Dec 2017, 04:57 (Ref:3785588)   #69
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World Touring Car Cup doesn't sound very well and it looks like a huge degradation - adding less powerful cars and no manufacturers. But at least a good number of entries + a few established names probably. I wish them luck. I wonder what the future holds for the WTCR or however we call it.
BIG mistake by the FIA... I just hope the manufacturers come anyway... JAS-Honda Racing with Monteiro, Michelisz, Files against Hyundai Racing with Tarquini, Menu and, why not Yvan Muller? Seat Sport basically has its own team already... Peugeot on the sidelines...

Wishfull thinking is the sweetest...
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Old 7 Dec 2017, 06:28 (Ref:3785597)   #70
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Happy they are limiting the wildcards.

Could have an FIA 'World Cup' with a completely different field each race – because there are so many TCR cars about – and in a worse case scenario the title winner may not have completed all races, or be someone who finished 5th in every race, or a gaggle of local drivers could get in the way. Or, just have a crash at the back for light entertainment.
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Old 7 Dec 2017, 07:00 (Ref:3785598)   #71
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A minimum of two cars per team must be entered, with a fee of €150,000 applicable for a two-car team.
This quote worries me, firstly the price....secondly the fact that it sounds like teams HAVE to enter two cars.....
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Old 7 Dec 2017, 07:11 (Ref:3785599)   #72
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This quote worries me, firstly the price....secondly the fact that it sounds like teams HAVE to enter two cars.....
Same here. You could probably cover the majority of the cost of buying the 2 cars needed for the series with that amount of money.
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Old 7 Dec 2017, 07:39 (Ref:3785604)   #73
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How do they justify that price hike? Just passing on the cost to teams now that there are no more manufacturers?
Exactly that. Manufacturer entry fee was 315,000 euros per manufacturer per season.
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Old 7 Dec 2017, 08:48 (Ref:3785616)   #74
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S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!
I'm glad it's happening, it's the only way the series could survive for the future
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Old 7 Dec 2017, 08:52 (Ref:3785619)   #75
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