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Old 10 Jan 2018, 11:20 (Ref:3791709)   #16
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I knew you would come up with some interesting stuff from the South American markets! I will have to study better when I'm at home and not work.

To add this same information about the N.American trucks, they are delineated by mid-size (Colorado/Canyon, Frontier, Tacoma) and full size. Full size trucks are separated by payload (imperial weights) into 1/2 ton (Light Duty), 3/4 ton (Heavy Duty), and 1 ton (HD). You will also see this as 1500/150, 2500/250, and 3500/350. To make things more confusing, modern full size trucks payloads are way, way above these ratings - An average half ton pickup has a payload capacity of 1500-2000 lbs, a 3/4 ton pickups average 3-4000lbs and 1 ton average 4-7000 lbs.

Pricing is all over the map as well as you can buy a F-150 for $20,000 all the way to $70,000. Luxury versions of HD pickups can approach $100,000. The reason they sell so well, however, is that you can get a well equipped half ton for less than comparably equipped 3-series BMW.
I was puttering around on Ram's site last week, top of the line Limited Tungsten 3500 duallie will run you just under 100k MSRP. But it has a sweet $300 suede headliner.

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Good! I had not seen confirmation from FCA that it was happening!

I was going to mention the 3L Powerstroke, but it got very quiet late last year. I wonder if there are some development issues? I thought it seemed an odd decision anyway considering the investment into the EcoBoost engines.
Both of those bits I got from an unofficial FCA news site last week. Looks like the unveiling of the new split-tailgate design could be this weekend as well. With possible integrated ramps under the bed. Ford apparently confirmed the diesel late last year but without a time frame other than 2018. Doubt it will be for a WHILE, the 2017 EcoDiesels were JUST released by the EPA. The 2018s are rolling off the line and hitting lots, good luck selling a year old truck Ram. And screw you EPA.

Although apparently I could be in for a refund check on my truck sometime this year with the settlement from FCA coming this year.
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Old 10 Jan 2018, 12:26 (Ref:3791727)   #17
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Sorry, NAIAS press preview is Jan 14-16. The public show is Jan 20-28. So maybe car unveils early next week to the media.
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Conversely, the mid-size pickup market is much more significant in Argentina (14%) than Brazil (8%).

2017 mid-size pickups sales in Brazil:

Fiat Toro: 50.723
Toyota Hilux: 34.368
Chevrolet S-10: 30.438
Ford Ranger: 17.830
Volkswagen Amarok: 11.964
Renault Duster Oroch: 11.047
Mitsubishi L200: 9.946

2017 mid-size pickups sales in Argentina:

Toyota Hilux: 33.914
Volkswagen Amarok: 22.361
Ford Ranger: 20.089
Fiat Toro: 15.973
Renault Duster Oroch: 15.841
Chevrolet S-10: 13.918
I went down a wikipedia rabbit hole researching these compact utes last night. Two hours I'll never get back, so thanks for that!

The most surprising things to me is that Nissan doesn't sell the Frontier/Navarro down there... Or if they do, they don't sell many. You call a S-10 a S-10, which is the proper name for that truck, not "Colorado".

Lastly, why doesn't Ford sell the international Ranger here? They dominated the mid-size market and just stopped? I think it looks great and they'd sell tons of them.

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Both of those bits I got from an unofficial FCA news site last week. Looks like the unveiling of the new split-tailgate design could be this weekend as well. With possible integrated ramps under the bed. Ford apparently confirmed the diesel late last year but without a time frame other than 2018. Doubt it will be for a WHILE, the 2017 EcoDiesels were JUST released by the EPA. The 2018s are rolling off the line and hitting lots, good luck selling a year old truck Ram. And screw you EPA.

Although apparently I could be in for a refund check on my truck sometime this year with the settlement from FCA coming this year.
What was the final settlement? What changed with the "new" diesel? Are you still enjoying yours?

I have a hard time believing with the additional mileage that you get that the diesel is actually more pollutant than the Hemi if judged by the gallon or mile.

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Sorry, NAIAS press preview is Jan 14-16. The public show is Jan 20-28. So maybe car unveils early next week to the media.
Yes, it's before the actual show that they have the press launches with smoke, show girls and paper mache rocks.
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Lastly, why doesn't Ford sell the international Ranger here? They dominated the mid-size market and just stopped? I think it looks great and they'd sell tons of them.

They are tried multiple times to bring that truck stateside and the truck division apparently vetoes it. It's usually blamed on the ever-present chicken tax, light truck tariff is the ONLY piece of that legislation left on the books and Ford hates it with a passion. See the warehouses in Baltimore filled with Transit city van seats so they could be imported at a lower tax rate. It was rumored that Ranger chassis would be the basis of the new Bronco (really a Bronco II, it's NOT on a 150 chassis so baby bronco) but I haven't followed that in a while. The latest articles I've seen from fall all indicate that Ranger is coming, although it was 2018 and now it's 2020 MY. And the Bronco will be based off of the Ranger but not as small as a Bronco II. But the Ranger is slightly smaller than that Ranger so...???

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What was the final settlement? What changed with the "new" diesel? Are you still enjoying yours?

I have a hard time believing with the additional mileage that you get that the diesel is actually more pollutant than the Hemi if judged by the gallon or mile.
Supposedly settlements were exchanged by FCA and the EPA and the findings were released. Trucks all meet/exceed diesel emissions, equipment on the engines were found to be not included in the tested engine spec and could potentially allow changes outside of the tested spec. After testing, no changes were noted but still a violation of emissions rules. The last I had seen was an estimated 1-2k per vehicle was a well accepted guess but who knows. No emissions testing Ga on diesel vehicles so it doesn't really impact me in the wallet.

It is supposedly the same engine since the introduction. The only change caused a delay in 2016 model release, oil changed from a single spec 5W-30 to the more commonly available Rotella T6 style 5W-40 after engine wear concerns. So far at 85k in 3.5 years I'm running around 25 mpg with mostly city driving. A full city tank I can dip to 22-23. On the highway, over 30 most of the time, especially if I can keep it under 70. Highest tank I remember was 835 miles on less than the full 26 gallon tank going to and from Charlotte. And that's with the one of the heaviest curb weight chassis you can get, 5705 of my 6950 GVWR.

Drawbacks so far are small for me. It does not have a manual DPF switch so I have had warnings to get on the highway to burn the filter clean, 30 mph commuting on Atlanta city streets doesn't get it hot enough. I have had 2 limp-mode errors, both early on, and one involved a month in the shop. And the standard 3rd brake light leak kept filling the underseat box with water, fixed on warranty with new under carpet padding. An oil change, like most diesels is costly; think I'm usually around 125 bucks but filters are still only available at the dealership or online in multipacks I always forget to order. And 10k change interval helps a bit but diesel oil is expensive and it takes gallons. Amazon Eco-diesel filters are NOT the right ones usually it seems. And I'm on the 5th fuel filter at 50 bucks and hour of my time.

It does make me laugh to read Autoweek's gushing over the Jag built 3L diesel ending up in the F-150 with the 10 speed. They keep harping on it breaking 30 mpg on the EPA rating. They haven't kept up with the Ram, 2016 and up Rams have a 27 4x4, 29 4x2 rating but keep reporting a 27 EPA rating. Expected to be 30 mpg with the Express HFE if it gets approval for 2018, but the EPA has held up ALL 2018 light-duty diesels from approval so far. And ZF and Aisin both have thoughts about the GM/Ford 10 speed and it is NOT good. ZF made a 10 and Bentley wouldn't buy it, searched for gears all day and cost 50% more. I couldn't imagine the truck searching for more gears and I'm usually at 1250 rpm at 65 as it is, there just isn't power any lower so why hold the engine there or every dip, crest, flinch on the throttle will be a shift.

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Lastly, why doesn't Ford sell the international Ranger here? They dominated the mid-size market and just stopped? I think it looks great and they'd sell tons of them.
not sure why they stopped...guessing it was just down to how popular their F-Series trucks are over here.

but good news, the Ranger will be coming back to N.America (not sure if its a new design for our market though) along with an all new Ford Bronco in the next year or so i think.
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not sure why they stopped...guessing it was just down to how popular their F-Series trucks are over here.

but good news, the Ranger will be coming back to N.America (not sure if its a new design for our market though) along with an all new Ford Bronco in the next year or so i think.
Supposedly imported DESIGN, to be built at that factory our fearless leader visited last fall. Can't import the trucks, taxes are killer outside of Mexico builds.
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not sure why they stopped...guessing it was just down to how popular their F-Series trucks are over here.

but good news, the Ranger will be coming back to N.America (not sure if its a new design for our market though) along with an all new Ford Bronco in the next year or so i think.
That's a good point. The last time I was shopping I looked at a Toyota Tacoma and, while it's a great little truck, the value wasn't there. For a few thousand more, I could be in an equally equipped F-150.

Same could be said for the Ecoboost engines. For a $3,000 premium, you get a "real world" extra 2 mpg but it sound like... well, you know what a Ford GT sounds like. It's just not worth it IMO. You gotta get the Coyote or the incoming diesel.

I forgot about the Bronco! I also didn't know it was attached to the Ranger. I'm not necessarily a Ford guy, but it would be great to have those models back!
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They are tried multiple times to bring that truck stateside and the truck division apparently vetoes it. It's usually blamed on the ever-present chicken tax, light truck tariff is the ONLY piece of that legislation left on the books and Ford hates it with a passion. See the warehouses in Baltimore filled with Transit city van seats so they could be imported at a lower tax rate. It was rumored that Ranger chassis would be the basis of the new Bronco (really a Bronco II, it's NOT on a 150 chassis so baby bronco) but I haven't followed that in a while. The latest articles I've seen from fall all indicate that Ranger is coming, although it was 2018 and now it's 2020 MY. And the Bronco will be based off of the Ranger but not as small as a Bronco II. But the Ranger is slightly smaller than that Ranger so...???



Supposedly settlements were exchanged by FCA and the EPA and the findings were released. Trucks all meet/exceed diesel emissions, equipment on the engines were found to be not included in the tested engine spec and could potentially allow changes outside of the tested spec. After testing, no changes were noted but still a violation of emissions rules. The last I had seen was an estimated 1-2k per vehicle was a well accepted guess but who knows. No emissions testing Ga on diesel vehicles so it doesn't really impact me in the wallet.

It is supposedly the same engine since the introduction. The only change caused a delay in 2016 model release, oil changed from a single spec 5W-30 to the more commonly available Rotella T6 style 5W-40 after engine wear concerns. So far at 85k in 3.5 years I'm running around 25 mpg with mostly city driving. A full city tank I can dip to 22-23. On the highway, over 30 most of the time, especially if I can keep it under 70. Highest tank I remember was 835 miles on less than the full 26 gallon tank going to and from Charlotte. And that's with the one of the heaviest curb weight chassis you can get, 5705 of my 6950 GVWR.

Drawbacks so far are small for me. It does not have a manual DPF switch so I have had warnings to get on the highway to burn the filter clean, 30 mph commuting on Atlanta city streets doesn't get it hot enough. I have had 2 limp-mode errors, both early on, and one involved a month in the shop. And the standard 3rd brake light leak kept filling the underseat box with water, fixed on warranty with new under carpet padding. An oil change, like most diesels is costly; think I'm usually around 125 bucks but filters are still only available at the dealership or online in multipacks I always forget to order. And 10k change interval helps a bit but diesel oil is expensive and it takes gallons. Amazon Eco-diesel filters are NOT the right ones usually it seems. And I'm on the 5th fuel filter at 50 bucks and hour of my time.

It does make me laugh to read Autoweek's gushing over the Jag built 3L diesel ending up in the F-150 with the 10 speed. They keep harping on it breaking 30 mpg on the EPA rating. They haven't kept up with the Ram, 2016 and up Rams have a 27 4x4, 29 4x2 rating but keep reporting a 27 EPA rating. Expected to be 30 mpg with the Express HFE if it gets approval for 2018, but the EPA has held up ALL 2018 light-duty diesels from approval so far. And ZF and Aisin both have thoughts about the GM/Ford 10 speed and it is NOT good. ZF made a 10 and Bentley wouldn't buy it, searched for gears all day and cost 50% more. I couldn't imagine the truck searching for more gears and I'm usually at 1250 rpm at 65 as it is, there just isn't power any lower so why hold the engine there or every dip, crest, flinch on the throttle will be a shift.
So long story short, FCA broke some paper rules but none in real life and are still being punished? Do I have that right?

I didn't know you had those issues or I forgot. You bought into the Ecodiesel very early though, correct?

I have not driven the 10 speed yet but I didn't like the ZF paired with the Hemi. Too many gears and it felt like it was constantly hunting on the highway. I better get used to it though as that's probably what I'll be driving in 3-5 years!
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So long story short, FCA broke some paper rules but none in real life and are still being punished? Do I have that right?

I didn't know you had those issues or I forgot. You bought into the Ecodiesel very early though, correct?

I have not driven the 10 speed yet but I didn't like the ZF paired with the Hemi. Too many gears and it felt like it was constantly hunting on the highway. I better get used to it though as that's probably what I'll be driving in 3-5 years!
Yeah, mine is a late 2014 truck so first year but spec 2 engine supposedly. Some ECU updates that were later rolled out to all engines was what FCA released.

The ZF hunts for a bit at first, it has some shift adjustment in the programming and you can apparently get it settled in after 2-5k. I barely notice it now, although any highway hill and you'll see drop to 7, occasionally 6. But then it's a 300 rpm drop 7 to 8 so not a big deal. I could see the 10 speed acting like 3rd in your 6 speed, using some gears on the way up but not down, and vice versa.

The big reveal will be what is on the 2019 Ram. So far what I've seen hinted:

Turbo Straight 6 announcement for 2020
DI Pentastar 3.7L (310-325 hp)
6 speed retained on SLT and fleet trucks, and 8 speed haters
Return to crosshair grille (just for JHamilton)
5.7L Apache retained without mods
with a possible Sport turbo 5.7 to rival the 6.4L in output
Probable belt-driven stop-start system
Probable 48V systems throughout chassis

Possible increase in truck size (I like and want, even with the giant truck I have)
Looks like a return to the 1500 MegaCab with a 6'4 bed with fold flat seats
Increased payload to match, 6 lug trucks in all the spy photos
Possible return of up-fitter switches in 1500s
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Also keep an eye out for the Jeep Scrambler, announced for 2018 but not yet on Jeep's site but in FCA's order system, albeit incomplete. But the EcoDiesel 3.0L is attached to it with stop-start tech, and the CJ-8 style fully removable tops are listed. Sounds like the 4 door Wrangler frame but elongated by 33" (205" chassis) and possibly 6' bed. If I could make a truck like that work for me, I might be tempted. And likely to be a Ram version of the truck released 2020/21.
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Question for the Americans here (Broadrun and JHamilton especially seem to know their stuff!) - I know absolutely ZERO about pickup trucks, and in the UK they're relatively rare.

Why are pickups important in the US, and what features are considered the important ones? And why am I so skeptical over the Tesla pickup, despite supporting the electric car movement. Is that a viable option?

Genuine questions from someone who has never sat in a truck.
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Question for the Americans here (Broadrun and JHamilton especially seem to know their stuff!) - I know absolutely ZERO about pickup trucks, and in the UK they're relatively rare.

Why are pickups important in the US, and what features are considered the important ones? And why am I so skeptical over the Tesla pickup, despite supporting the electric car movement. Is that a viable option?

Genuine questions from someone who has never sat in a truck.
Our roads are wide and so are our asses, so we like big vehicles!

Seriously though, what began as something that was purely utilitarian for farmers to use for work all week and drive to church on Sunday, without having to own a second vehicle has morphed into what it is today. It was long Innovative process that was consumer driven where now many people use them as a passenger vehicle that can carry large toys, pull campers(Caravans) and other things while being extremely comfortable.

From a performance standpoint, they are absurd. From a comfort standpoint, they are absurd. It's really surprising how comfortable they are to ride in and how powerful and quick they are.

I've yet to get mine , but last year I did have to rent a 2016 F250 Super Duty Power Stroke turbo diesel. Outside of the difficult nature for the family to crawl up in it, it was awesome especially the 440 BHP and nearly 900 pound feet of torque that gets you 0 to 60 in less than 8 Seconds. That's with a family of 4 inside and in a vehicle thay weighs almost 7,000 lbs. Im 2nd gear when the turbo is spooled up, your head is planted into the headrest. It's crazy in something that large.

Most important features? Really depends on what you're going to use the truck for. But as you stated, J Hamilton and Broad Run can expand quite a bit for you. I've heard these to talk more about trucks and vehicles in Turn 4 at Road Atlanta then I almost care to so I've avoided this thread for a minute


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As for the Tesla truck? This is the first I've heard of it and I'm not sure how I feel completely about electric vehicles. However there's a growing market for them and there's a huge market for trucks in this country so it will probably work out.

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Question for the Americans here (Broadrun and JHamilton especially seem to know their stuff!) - I know absolutely ZERO about pickup trucks, and in the UK they're relatively rare.

Why are pickups important in the US, and what features are considered the important ones? And why am I so skeptical over the Tesla pickup, despite supporting the electric car movement. Is that a viable option?

Genuine questions from someone who has never sat in a truck.
For me personally a truck is a starting point as a vehicle but I am kind of an exception. I am 6'7 (2m) and 300 lbs (136k, 21.5 stone) so most cars are right out. I tried driving a friend's Toyota tiny 'SUV/crossover' thing and holy tiny car, I barely fit and could not have driven it for more than 10 min. And I grew up always having a truck, or two, in the family. Learned to drive in an 85 Suburban, manual everything and full vinyl interior. Rode like the Flintstones car but could pull anything with wheels under it and carry at least 5,000 inside the truck. It didn't go fast and was full front to back with a distinct lean to the rear. But then I'm also a guy who wants to squeeze his giant self in to an old British convertible at some point so maybe my opinion isn't worth much. Or distorted by all the fuel/exhaust fumes in the truck.

That used to be the selling point of trucks. Vinyl, bare metal, fix it the Clarkson method and drive until the frame actually rusted to dust. Jump from the early 90s to now and oh how things have changed. The old F-series 350s and up were a mix of frames without much value placed on anything beyond work, comfort wasn't even considered. Ford and Chevy both set out to comfort their 150/1500s and made dedicated HD (really trucking wise medium duty but who's going to advertise we're the mediumest truck?) frames and packages. Hence the birth of the truly SuperDuty F-series trucks and the HDs from Chevy/GMC. Although GMC stuck with their own line of GREAT medium duty trucks for a while longer. As the trucks improved in the 150/1500 lines and became more car like, softer ride, improved interior, hvac systems that actually worked, the fleet buyers and HD buyers wanted similar things in theirs. My family it was 4 kids, add in 6 people, camping gear and food for a week, trailer, etc you end up blowing past the 150/1500s payloads quickly.

Now, well you can get a top of the line F350/Silervado 3500/Ram 3500 dually diesel for more than a base 911. Believe the Rams and Fords top out at close to 100k after all is said and done, now no one actually pays sticker so guessing it's closer to 80k but that's still a LOT for a truck. But you will get all the usual car bells and whistles. And the ability to tow 30,000 lbs all day if you feel the need. Sadly this has made getting a truly 'stripper' work truck harder and harder. And even the middle of the road trucks have exploded, to replace my soon to be 4 model year old truck it is close to an additional 10k over the MSRP then.

As for the Tesla truck? For me it's the limited payload you're going to have to end up with for the range to market a truck. Now I doubt that will curb sales in any way unless the Tesla Model 3 buyers all start to dump the 3s in favor of the truck and the value plummets. But they are holding steady for now it seems. But I think that will be a city option truck and will sell all they can make to hipsters who can't work on their old Chevys and Fords I see running around their parts of Atlanta/Decatur.
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I tried driving a friend's Toyota tiny 'SUV/crossover' thing and holy tiny car, I barely fit and could not have driven it for more than 10 min
Even at 6-0/235+++, most SUVs/Crossovers are worthless to me. I drove a compact car to Savannah and back in one day last month and I think I'm waiting for the circulation to get fully back in my right leg....

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And I grew up always having a truck, or two, in the family. Learned to drive in an 85 Suburban, manual everything and full vinyl interior
Everything was manual 'cept the tranny right? I learned to drive in a full manual inline 6, 4 on the floor 71 Suburban with three doors, not counting the rear fan ones...I still miss the "Big Nasty" as she was very lovingly referred too.
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