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Old 10 Jul 2019, 16:25 (Ref:3916883)   #1
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2020 Silly Season

So I have started to see news reports and some discussions in various threads here about 2020 from the perspective of the drivers market and even what power units various teams might use. So I figured... why not kick off this 2020 thread.

Some specific topics that I have seen recently...

* Williams switching to Renault and McLaren switching to Mercedes (probably not likely)
* Max Verstappen's RBR escape clause and his potential move to Mercedes (I assume to replace Bottas?)
* Some talk about Vettel retiring at end of 2019 or more recently... moving back to RBR!!
* Supposed break in relationship between Alonso and McLaren (which both have denied) and now there is talk of Alonso going to RBR!

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/41036...2020-seat.html

Would Honda be OK with Alonso back in a Honda powered car? I believe it was said that Honda stopped Alonso from using Honda power at Indy this year. Do they even have a say in the matter when it comes to RBR driver selection?

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Old 10 Jul 2019, 22:28 (Ref:3916927)   #2
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Old 11 Jul 2019, 06:41 (Ref:3916963)   #3
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Would Honda be OK with Alonso back in a Honda powered car? I believe it was said that Honda stopped Alonso from using Honda power at Indy this year. Do they even have a say in the matter when it comes to RBR driver selection?

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Marko also said they don't want Alonso and Honda wouldn't want it anyway.

also: it was Alonso that contacted Red Bull, not Red Bull that contacted Alonso
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Old 11 Jul 2019, 10:12 (Ref:3916981)   #4
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McLaren have confirmed Norris and Sainz for 2020.

There has been talk of Ocon being released from his Mercedes contract so he can find a drive elsewhere (the Mercedes link potentially stopped him getting a drive for this year). Interestingly Ocon is being linked with Renault - with either Hulkenberg being ditched or Ricciardo leaving depending on which story you read. The Ricciardo move apparently would be to Ferrari if Vettel retires at the end of the year - so judge for yourself how likely you think that one is!

Williams have extended their sponsorship deal with Rokit - so at least some good news for Williams!
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Old 15 Jul 2019, 13:43 (Ref:3917834)   #5
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2020
(part wishing part expecting)


Mercedes
- Hamilton
- Bottas


Ferrari
- Leclerc
- Ricciardo


Red Bull
- Verstappen
- Gasly



McLaren
- Sainz
- Norris




Renault
- Ocon
- Hulkenberg





Sauber
- Raikkonen
- Giovinazzi




Racing Point
- Perez
- Stroll




Haas:
- Magnussen
- ?, Vergne?





Torro Rosso
- Kvyat
- Albon




Williams:
- Russell
- de Vries






For 2021 I could imagine Norris going to Mercedes if he keeps improving.
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Old 8 Sep 2019, 21:02 (Ref:3926744)   #6
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2020
(part wishing part expecting)

Mercedes
- Hamilton
- Bottas

Ferrari
- Leclerc
- Ricciardo

Red Bull
- Verstappen
- Gasly

McLaren
- Sainz
- Norris

Renault
- Ocon
- Hulkenberg

Sauber
- Raikkonen
- Giovinazzi

Racing Point
- Perez
- Stroll

Haas:
- Magnussen
- ?, Vergne?

Torro Rosso
- Kvyat
- Albon

Williams:
- Russell
- de Vries


For 2021 I could imagine Norris going to Mercedes if he keeps improving.

Updated based on recent events:


Mercedes
- Hamilton
- Bottas

Ferrari
- Leclerc
- Ricciardo

Red Bull
- Verstappen
- Vettel

McLaren
- Sainz
- Norris

Renault
- Ocon
- Gasly

Sauber
- Raikkonen
- Giovinazzi

Racing Point
- Perez
- Stroll

Haas:
- Magnussen
- Hulkenberg

Torro Rosso
- Kvyat
- Albon

Williams:
- Russell
- de Vries


That would be one hack of a line-up for the three top-teams. Fireworks guaranteed.


Red Bull needs a strong driver next to Verstappen to have more tactical options in races and to gather constructors points. I don't think Red Bull will find either Gasly, Albon or Kvyat good enough. Vettel is a Red Bull guy after all and I don't see him getting any happier at Ferrari. One plus one makes..... even if it will be a great pain to leave the Scuderia.

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Old 10 Sep 2019, 20:17 (Ref:3927231)   #7
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Updated based on recent events:


Mercedes
- Hamilton
- Bottas

Ferrari
- Leclerc
- Ricciardo

Red Bull
- Verstappen
- Vettel

McLaren
- Sainz
- Norris

Renault
- Ocon
- Gasly

Sauber
- Raikkonen
- Giovinazzi

Racing Point
- Perez
- Stroll

Haas:
- Magnussen
- Hulkenberg

Torro Rosso
- Kvyat
- Albon

Williams:
- Russell
- de Vries

De Vries does not have any big sponsorship and Williams need money: so that will probably be Latifi, and Vettel to Red Bull while Max is there won't happen either, Vettel also can't handle the pressure of beeing in one team with Leclerc at the moment.
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Everything hinges on Vettel. If Vettel does next season in Ferrari, then I can see no moves in the top 3 teams.

If Vettel quits, then Ferrari might have to get their cheque book out, and entice Ricciardo. But why should they not aim for Verstappen instead?

Do we think that Alonso definitely will not come back to F1? It's hard to see a space for him at anything better than a midfield team, which I guess is the main reason to doubt that he will get a driver next year. How about at Renault instead of Hulk'? That might work?

If I were running Haas, I would definitely be looking for 1 or possibly even 2 new drivers next season. Ocon? Perez? Hulkenburg?
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Old 15 Jul 2019, 14:02 (Ref:3917838)   #9
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Everything hinges on Vettel. If Vettel does next season in Ferrari, then I can see no moves in the top 3 teams.

If Vettel quits, then Ferrari might have to get their cheque book out, and entice Ricciardo. But why should they not aim for Verstappen instead?
They can aim for Verstappen, but I reckon they won't get him.

1 Ferrari is probably not better than RB 2020.
2 He can't claim No1 status as Leclerc is too good.

If Verstappen is moving, it would be to Mercedes, but I'm quite sure he will give Red Bull/Honda 2020 to proof that they can really be there from the start of the season.


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Do we think that Alonso definitely will not come back to F1? It's hard to see a space for him at anything better than a midfield team, which I guess is the main reason to doubt that he will get a driver next year. How about at Renault instead of Hulk'? That might work?

If I were running Haas, I would definitely be looking for 1 or possibly even 2 new drivers next season. Ocon? Perez? Hulkenburg?

If Alonso would be up for it, Haas would take him I guess (if he doesn't demand an outrages salary that is).
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We only have Norris and Sainz confirmed. Who goes where elsewhere in 2020 is anybody’s guess. Vettel has a big question mark, which I think will be key. As will what Bottas does
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If Vettel quits, then Ferrari might have to get their cheque book out, and entice Ricciardo....
i could see SV walking away from the sport all together...he doesnt need the aggravation and media attention that comes with driving a Ferrari poorly.

if he does walk, then i could see something like Ric to Ferrari, Alonso to Renault, and Max and Gasly staying at RB.
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We only have Norris and Sainz confirmed. Who goes where elsewhere in 2020 is anybody’s guess. Vettel has a big question mark, which I think will be key. As will what Bottas does
Mercedes were quite public when Hamilton signed an extension.

Lewis Hamilton: Mercedes driver agrees £40m-a-year deal until 2020

What constitutes a confirmation of entry?
Drivers with a contract in place for 2020 are:

Alfa Romeo Racing-Kimi Räikkönen
Ferrari-Sebastian Vettel
Ferrari-Charles Leclerc
Haas-Kevin Magnussen
McLaren-Lando Norris
McLaren-Carlos Sainz Jr.
Mercedes-Lewis Hamilton
Red Bull Racing-Max Verstappen
Renault-Daniel Ricciardo
Williams-George Russell

The official F1 Site: DRIVER MARKET: How is the 2020 grid shaping up?
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Vettel has a big question mark, which I think will be key. As will what Bottas does
I think those 2 are indeed key, but for Bottas: it doesn't depend on what Bottas does, is depends on what Mercedes decides.


I can't see Verstappen go to Ferrari. Staying at Red Bull for 2020 is no worse option, and he can still see what happens for 2021. I think he targets Hamilton's seat (for 2021 or beyond)

I understand why EJ said Hamilton would go to Ferrari in that case. Verstappen-Hamilton just won't work (*), and the chance of winning in a Ferrari is something only few can resist.

(*) I didn't think EJ meant that Hamilton would be afraid of Verstappen, just that it would not work. Think Hamilton-Rosberg, just maybe worse.


On the other hand, I can't see Verstappen-Vettel at Mercedes either. Mercedes has not need for Vettel, unless he dramatically improves in 2020, in which case he has no need to leave Ferrari and they have no need to let him go.
If Mercedes needs someone to partner Verstappen, I think they would go for Ocon or Russell anyway. Why raise young drivers if you're not going to use them?


Ricciardo to Ferrari? Maybe. If Vettel leaves or has to leave, what choice do they have? Verstappen won't do it I think and will probably be too expensive anyway (especially if they have to buy out Vettel's contract). They have a few youngsters but none of them are ready or have enough SuperLicense points.
That leaves Ricciardo, Alonso, Bottas (?) (but why take him if he is dropped by Mercedes)
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Hamilton will never be a Ferrari signing, his driving style is their cup of tea but his out of the car stuff certainly isn't.

I've heard on the vine that Grosjean is definitely out, KMag is staying.

Seems to me Gasly has to keep up his Silverstone form for the rest of the year or he's out. If Albon keeps improving, he might get the gig.

Whilst i'd love to see Alonso back, Renault would be wise to keep the current line up unless they are absolutely sure they can sign someone who is guaranteed to do better than Hulk. Don't think there's very many who could that would be either available or affordable.

If Vettel does the right thing and puts his career out of its misery, Ferrari may need to put someone like Hulk in as a 1-2 year stop gap until they can get who they want.
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I made a list of Vettel mishap in wheel to wheel through the last few seasons:


June 2017 Bakuh (Vettel Hamilton incident)
Sept 2017 Singapore (Vettel, Verstappen, Raikkonen incident)
Oct 2017 Mexico (Verstappen vs Vettel, drives his front wing off at T2)

Jun 2018 France (Hits Bottas at T1)
Jul 2018 Germany (goes off in the wet)
Sept 2018 Monza (spun after contact with Hamilton)
Oct 2018 Japan (drives into Verstappen who’s ahead)
Oct 2018 COTA (runs into Ricciardo who’s ahead)

Mar 2019 Bahrein (goes on the throttle too early in fight with Hamilton)
Jun 2019 (misses braking point, cut’s chicane and gets penalty)
Juli 2019 Silverstone (Rams Verstappen off the track)




I'm not sure how he's gonna turn it around. What would change? As others have said, I like the guy off the track. However it's reaching a point that same input will give the same output.
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