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Old 20 May 2003, 15:30 (Ref:604882)   #1
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2003 points system Vs 2002 points system

2003 Championship under 2002 points system:

1) MS 3,1,0,10,10,10 = 34
2) KR 4,10,6,6,0,6 = 32
3) RB 0,6,0,4,4,4 = 18
4) DC 10,0,3,2,0,2 = 17
5) FA 0,4,4,1,6,0 = 15
6) GF 0,0,10,0,0,0 = 10
7) JPM 6,0,0,0,3,0 = 9
8) RS 0,3,0,3,2,1 = 9
9) JT 2,2,0,0,0,0 = 4
10) JB 0,0,0,0,0,3 = 3
11) HHF 1,0,2,0,0,0 = 3
12) JVi 0,0,1,0,0,0 = 1
13) CDM 0,0,0,0,1,0 = 1
12) MW 0,0,0,0,0,0 = 0
15) NH 0,0,0,0,0,0 = 0
16) RFJ 0,0,0,0,o,0 = 0
17) AP 0,0,0,0,0,0 = 0
18) JW 0,0,0,0,0,0 = 0
19) JVe 0,0,0,0,0,0 = 0
20) OP 0,0,0,0,0,0 = 0



2003 Championship under 2003 points system:

1) KR 6,10,8,8,0,8 = 40
2) MS 5,3,0,10,10,10 = 38
3) RB 0,8,0,6,6,6 = 26
4) FA 2,6,6,3,8,0 = 25
5) DC 10,0,5,4,0,4 = 23
6) RS 1,5,2,5,4,3 = 20
7) JPM 8,0,0,2,5,0 = 15
8) GF 0,0,10,0,0,0 = 10
9) JT 4,4,1,0,0,1 = 10
10) JB 0,2,0,1,0,5 = 8
11) HHF 3,0,4,0,0,0 = 7
12) MW 0,0,0,0,2,2 = 4
13) JVi 0,0,3,0,0,0 = 3
14) CDM 0,0,0,0,3,0 = 3
15) NH 0,1,0,0,0,0 = 1
16) RFJ 0,0,0,0,1,0 = 1
17) AP 0,0,0,0,0,0 = 0
18) JW 0,0,0,0,0,0 = 0
19) JVe 0,0,0,0,0,0 = 0
20) OP 0,0,0,0,0,0 = 0



Biggest gainers/losers in 2003 over 2002 (In terms of championship position)

LOSERS:
1) GF = down 2 positions; same points
2) JVi = down 1 position; +2 points
3) CDM = down 1 position; +2 points
4) MS = down 1 position; +4 points
5) DC = down 1 position; +6 points

WINNERS:
1) RS = up 2 positions; +11 points
2) FA = up 1 position; +10 points
3) KR = up 1 position; +8 points

NON-MOVERS:
1) RB = same position; +8 points
2) JPM = same position; +6 points
= JT = same position; +6 points
4) JB = same position; +5 points
5) HHF = same position; +4 points
= MW = same position; +4 points
7) NH = same position; +1 point
= RFJ = same position; +1 point
9) AP = same position; same points (zero)
= JW = same position; same points (zero)
= JVe = same position; same points (zero)
= OP = same position; same points (zero)



POINT INCREASES UNDER NEW SYSTEM
1) RS = +11 points
2) FA = +10 points
3) KR = +8 points
= RB = +8 points
5) JPM = +6 points
= JT = +6 points
= DC = +6 points
8) JB = +5 points
9) MS = +4 points
= HHF = +4 points
= MW = +4 points
12) JVi = +2 points
= CDM = +2 points
14) NH = +1 point
= RFJ = +1 point
16) GF = same points
= AP = same points
= JW = same points
= JVe = same points
= OP = same points



Well then, this new points system seems to be working nicely - keeping TGF off the top of the championship! hehe

(Oh, and I apologise in advance for any mistakes I've made)

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Old 20 May 2003, 16:11 (Ref:604939)   #2
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That's really interesting to look at, actually.

Clear to see that the rule changes have worked.
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Old 20 May 2003, 16:53 (Ref:604987)   #3
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It appears to me that for the front runners the old system is less fair (MS 3 wins!), but perhaps for the lower teams it does reward those lower places.

Mark Webber gets some deserved points for a couple 7ths, but Ralf has gained a bit, when he probably didn't really deserve to (if you see what I mean! 7th in a Jag is worth something. 7th in a Williams isn't).
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Old 20 May 2003, 17:04 (Ref:605006)   #4
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There will allways be the winners and lossers even if you had point down to 20 place someone would complain!
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Old 20 May 2003, 17:06 (Ref:605012)   #5
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It is keeping the championship very close, the 4 point gap last year was two big between first and second. I think it would be good to have points a bit further down the field, then you would get a true level of performance over the season, rather than a few drivers at the bottom on 1 or 0 points.
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Old 20 May 2003, 17:11 (Ref:605019)   #6
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the 4 point gap last year was two big between first and second
You kidding right? It's been 2 points beforte, then 3 points then eventually 4. How can you explain that 3 wins in row and the championship is still lead by a single win driver?

They did come to that 4 points difference because otherwise it is possible that the championship can be won by someone who actually does not win a single race. Not that I complain, but is something that doesn't quite fit into this picture you know...
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Old 20 May 2003, 17:35 (Ref:605072)   #7
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F1 has got to be entertaining, if you have got one driver running away with the championship then it will get less popular than it is now. This comment might not be the most sensible thing to say on a F1 forum! but the best points system has got to be NASCAR.
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Old 20 May 2003, 17:39 (Ref:605080)   #8
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We can discuss about entertainment too.... Indeed the championship remains open for a little longer, but I watch races because I like races. If the championship is all that interests me I can buy a newspaper in October to see who won it..

Anyway.. a driver would smoke his tyres to overtake for lead in the race if that means 4 points (make it even more) but calmly and wisely will stay put for only 2. If it can overtake in pits (and now they have 3 pitstops to make it work) is Ok, if not, is only 2 points...
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Old 20 May 2003, 17:56 (Ref:605109)   #9
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It wouldnt be much fun watching F1 if there were 16 non championship races, but the racing is the most important thing.
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NASCAR's points system is ridiculous.

It's possible to finish second in a race and come away with more points than the winner.
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Old 20 May 2003, 18:11 (Ref:605127)   #11
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Everyone one has there own opinions!, NASCAR must be doing something that F1 isnt, F1 tv figures fell last year the same cant be said for NASCAR.
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Old 20 May 2003, 18:44 (Ref:605161)   #12
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Oh, nice work Luca.

I don't know about NASCAR, but the new points system proved to improve the competition, and if Kimi get in the points consistently, TGF will be in trouble.
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Old 20 May 2003, 21:24 (Ref:605319)   #13
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Good work Luca, but i worry that you have a little too much time on your hands
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C'mon, let's wake up.

The new system may be keeping things "exciting" by under-rewarding the winner.

The problem is that this new system also over-punishes the risk-taker that may end up with a DNF and no practical way of making up for the DNF in a significant way in two or three races.

All in all, this new point allocation has all the potential to turn the last four or five races into a real snore-fest since the guy in front will just play it safely and the guy behind will not take chances because that would really mean the end of his season. It will be a matter of waiting for the other driver to make a mistake....while we all fall sound asleep.....(hope I'm wrong but I don't think so)

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As a big McLaren fan, guess which points system I prefer?
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