[iV8SC13R06,R07,R08.R09] ITM 400, Pukekohe NZ: 12-14 Apr - Page 3

peckstar · 13 Apr 2013, 04:46 (Ref:3233264)

been two exciting races. track and format is working well

7 races in. 6 different winners, 4 different teams

DX20VT · 13 Apr 2013, 04:47 (Ref:3233265)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

you might be thinking about a totally different lowndes instance. he had all 4 wheels on the inside of the kerb structure when he cut the corner

What about Lowndes at T6? Pretty sure he had all 4 wheel on the grass for his shootout lap and was no where near on the right suide of the kerb for the corner

peckstar · 13 Apr 2013, 04:51 (Ref:3233267)

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Originally Posted by DX20VT

What about Lowndes at T6? Pretty sure he had all 4 wheel on the grass for his shootout lap and was no where near on the right suide of the kerb for the corner

thats the corner im thinking of.

Reload · 13 Apr 2013, 04:52 (Ref:3233268)

I had to look closely, but please tell me that one of the sponsors on the front of Holdsworth's helmet is not FAG ?

**GTRMagic** · 13 Apr 2013, 04:55 (Ref:3233269)

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Originally Posted by Reload

I had to look closely, but please tell me that one of the sponsors on the front of Holdsworth's helmet is not FAG ?

FAG brand roller bearings...

Reload · 13 Apr 2013, 04:58 (Ref:3233270)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

FAG brand roller bearings...

Mmm okay, so nothing to do with his limp wristed effort today then.

**GTRMagic** · 13 Apr 2013, 04:59 (Ref:3233271)

Very up and down R7 for many..

#14 Jump start??
#1 and #888 ecploring a 'Multi21' strategy..
#22,#8, #97 going cross country travelling
#5 and #6 go 'Multi 21-ing' too
#888 falling off the road, then plopping back in front of traffic
#5 doing a 'win or bust' strategic choice.. and not succeeding..

#33 ended up nowhere too..

Reload · 13 Apr 2013, 05:02 (Ref:3233272)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Very up and down R7 for many..

#14 Jump start??
#1 and #888 ecploring a 'Multi21' strategy..
#22,#8, #97 going cross country travelling
#5 and #6 go 'Multi 21-ing' too
#888 falling off the road, then plopping back in front of traffic
#5 doing a 'win or bust' strategic choice.. and not succeeding..

#33 ended up nowhere too..

#33 must have suffered damage after the mid race accident and CL's re entry was ordinary.

Tourer · 13 Apr 2013, 05:04 (Ref:3233274)

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Originally Posted by DX20VT

What about Lowndes at T6? Pretty sure he had all 4 wheel on the grass for his shootout lap and was no where near on the right suide of the kerb for the corner

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Originally Posted by peckstar

thats the corner im thinking of.

Guys, there's a very big difference between stuffing up, running off into the grass and screwing your lap or the alternative of cutting a corner too much to gain a performance advantage and sticking yourself on pole as a result.

Umai Naa · 13 Apr 2013, 05:08 (Ref:3233276)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

FAG brand roller bearings...

Correct. They make a lot of OEM parts for the likes of Volkswagen and Audi.

Bit of a wild race towards the end.

Seems like it's everybody's championship to lose at the moment.

Marcos WTF · 13 Apr 2013, 05:42 (Ref:3233283)

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Originally Posted by pigs fly

AND FROSTY stuffs it up again, 2 races in a row.

Pure,utter gold. Watching frosty parley 2nd & a move up the C'ship points into 13th and a move downwards in the points.

Then he iced the cake with the line- and I quote "How you gotta win races" Turning a certain 2nd into 13th is not the way.

And as frosty says, W'cup was desperate to get his first win. frosty was more desperate.Obviously.Grasping at straws comes to mind.

Another verse of the "frosty rap" ( and there's a few by now) is on the way.

Umai Naa · 13 Apr 2013, 06:21 (Ref:3233290)

Whincup can't have been that desperate, since he was already leading the points without even taking a race win.

pigs fly · 13 Apr 2013, 06:24 (Ref:3233291)

MARCUS WTF frosty is looking to win the c/ship by coming last.

peckstar · 13 Apr 2013, 07:22 (Ref:3233301)

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Originally Posted by Tourer

Guys, there's a very big difference between stuffing up, running off into the grass and screwing your lap or the alternative of cutting a corner too much to gain a performance advantage and sticking yourself on pole as a result.

Look i get what you mare saying.But both cut the corner and both deserved to finish at the back of the top top as result of there trangression, But lowndes did not deserve to start in from off coulthard because he stuffed up more.

It seems a simple rule to police, but was not applied consistantly

peckstar · 13 Apr 2013, 07:24 (Ref:3233302)

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Originally Posted by Marcos WTF

Pure,utter gold. Watching frosty parley 2nd & a move up the C'ship points into 13th and a move downwards in the points.

Then he iced the cake with the line- and I quote "How you gotta win races" Turning a certain 2nd into 13th is not the way.

And as frosty says, W'cup was desperate to get his first win. frosty was more desperate.Obviously.Grasping at straws comes to mind.

Another verse of the "frosty rap" ( and there's a few by now) is on the way.

just to be clear, you are saying that Frosty should have settlled for 2nd?

Tourer · 13 Apr 2013, 07:41 (Ref:3233309)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

Look i get what you mare saying.But both cut the corner and both deserved to finish at the back of the top top as result of there trangression, But lowndes did not deserve to start in from off coulthard because he stuffed up more.

It seems a simple rule to police, but was not applied consistantly

Sorry Pecky but there's a penalty in place in regard to corner cutting to gain time (some call it cheating) but there's no rule in place for stuffing up and running off track after locking up brakes, misjudging or whatever - if such a rule existed, there'd be drivers penalised left, right and centre through prac, Q and the races (race 7 would have been a doozy in that regard). Scott Pye would have copped a flogging in Tassie.

No rule to police in Lowndes' case as no rule applies in regard to a penalty for his mistake.

peckstar · 13 Apr 2013, 07:46 (Ref:3233311)

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Originally Posted by Tourer

Sorry Pecky but there's a penalty in place in regard to corner cutting to gain time (some call it cheating) but there's no rule in place for stuffing up and running off track after locking up brakes, misjudging or whatever - if such a rule existed, there'd be drivers penalised left, right and centre through prac, Q and the races (race 7 would have been a doozy in that regard). Scott Pye would have copped a flogging in Tassie.

No rule to police in Lowndes' case as no rule applies in regard to a penalty for his mistake.

see there is a rule in place, it just wasn't consistently applied.

Criag's correct position was in the wall. and therefore last starter.

If Fabs had have done that in a race, there would be no penalty. So to include race examples is not a correct comparison. you have to include qualyfying examples only

pigs fly · 13 Apr 2013, 07:49 (Ref:3233313)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

just to be clear, you are saying that Frosty should have settlled for 2nd?

SHORT answer yes long answer no but he came in hot and locked up sliding into Whincup who to his credit rode the bump and went on to win, whereas Frosty spun then recovered to finish further down the field.

Tourer · 13 Apr 2013, 07:54 (Ref:3233316)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

see there is a rule in place, it just wasn't consistently applied.

Criag's correct position was in the wall. and therefore last starter.

If Fabs had have done that in a race, there would be no penalty. So to include race examples is not a correct comparison. you have to include qualyfying examples only

OK - I had my tongue in my cheek there, sorry about that.

Craig's correct position was not in the wall as there's no wall there - he WAS last top ten starter (due to his mistake and not any penalty) until another driver had his top ten time removed and that penalty moved Fabs behind all others in the shootout.

The only rule broken and therefore penalty applied was for what Fabs did - so the rule, which definitely exists, was applied consistently and correctly. Simple.

**GTRMagic** · 13 Apr 2013, 08:18 (Ref:3233324)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

just to be clear, you are saying that Frosty should have settlled for 2nd?

Honestly, if he knew his car was unstable under braking, as it proved to be in the end, but showed signs of the same problem in the laps before... the move made was definitely a 'Win or Bust' one..

Arguably he didnt even take Mr Whincup out properly

**GTRMagic** · 13 Apr 2013, 08:48 (Ref:3233333)

Stewards Summary @ Pokeamoocow

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Originally Posted by The Link Above

Matters arising from Qualifying (Race 7):
Following an investigation and admission by Triple F Racing that they had refuelled Car #12 not within their pit garage or the paddock, the Stewards imposed the penalty of exclusion from Qualifying for Race 7 and imposed a fine of $5000 totally suspended until 31/12/2013.

Following an investigation and admission by Dick Johnson Racing that they had refuelled Car #17 not within their pit garage or the paddock, the Stewards imposed the penalty of exclusion from Qualifying for Race 7 and imposed a fine of $5000 totally suspended until 31/12/2013.

sebringimsa · 13 Apr 2013, 09:07 (Ref:3233338)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Stewards Summary @ Pokeamoocow

Well where did they refuel the cars then? Did they put them on a back of a trailer and fill them up at the local servo?

TSR · 13 Apr 2013, 09:35 (Ref:3233346)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Honestly, if he knew his car was unstable under braking, as it proved to be in the end, but showed signs of the same problem in the laps before... the move made was definitely a 'Win or Bust' one..

Arguably he didnt even take Mr Whincup out properly

Could not believe one MS on the TV, he kept saying Frosty got to have a big go, and then when he did, he was all over JW, and the bias towards JW was sicking, yes we all know MS favours Red Bull Racing but it is getting beyond a joke now.

You can not say one thing , then when it happens favour the other side of it.

FAS33 · 13 Apr 2013, 09:43 (Ref:3233348)

Now that was a race! anyone still whinging about it can go still watch lawnbowls for all we care lol. Scott Mclaughlin wins a V8SC race and is the youngest to have won one too, stick it up ya oldies.

he will win championships in the future, great drive by Frosty, at least he had a go. Whincup awesome, Lowndes terrible.

Armco Bender · 13 Apr 2013, 09:58 (Ref:3233353)

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Could not believe one MS on the TV

He sounds like Bill Lawry...

Good to see V8 xtra managed to incorporate some sheep into the event.

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