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The bi-annual extravaganza. Expensive but unique. Includes Group C race in 2018.
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Old 11 Jul 2018, 12:54 (Ref:3836062)   #181
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I find Mike's answer is clear and courageous too, so few people saying what they mean in this matter.
Another thing which could be brought back - or not - the percentage between the pole and the last admitted car. If i'm correct, in period you had to qualify each driver (may be 75% as fast as poleman?) plus each driver had to make at least three laps during night session.
Dont forget its a show, a marvelous one.
On another thread about the same meeting someone commented that most of the races looked more like parades (I disagree), but that doesn’t necessarily mean the cars weren’t being driven flat out- just that with each plateau there could be a considerable age and potential performance difference between the front running and tail end cars! Therefore not sure a ‘75%’ rule would work in LMC.....

As for night practice, essential really if you intend to do the night race (not all drivers / cars did), but the sessions were shortened this year to allow for parades, Legends or something. Then one plateau only got one lap due to a red flag, and another 3 laps for same reason. Shame as the experience of driving Mulsanne in the middle of the night is like no other......
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Old 11 Jul 2018, 13:20 (Ref:3836067)   #182
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Yes, Mike, not all races are parades. Its obvious the 75% rule could not apply, but look at the differences in performance: plateau 3, from 4'31" to 7'40", plateau 4 from 4'36" to 9'02", plateau 5 from 4'13" to 6'53" and plateau 6 from 4'08" to 6'40". Huge gaps, dont you think so?
Average differences in max speed are plateau 3: 262/160, plateau 4: 253/203, plateau 5: 287/190 and plateau 6: 292/ 200 all in kph. And the Hunaudières straight is a much safer - and slower too - place than in period. As you said, white flag is more a benefit than the blue one…

You like Mulsanne? Me too, but bear in mind that we use to have panneautage there, just at the exit of the corner. And there were a kind of "meeting" there during the night, you could have your headlamps adjusted by Marchal. For free, even if you had Cibié! Happy days, n'est-ce pas?! Quelle époque fantastique.
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Old 11 Jul 2018, 13:46 (Ref:3836076)   #183
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Dont forget its a show, a marvelous one.
My first visit to the Le Mans 24hrs race was in 1970, and it made a big impression on a then 8-year old schoolboy.

In contrast, I realise what the LMC event is, and I'm familiar with the world of historic racing. I'm normally - by necessity as well as philosophy - quite pragmatic about these things, but if we are going to class this kind of event a reference to matters 'historic' and talk about nostalgia, then we must be careful 'the show' does not turn into complete farce.

A re-enactment of The Battle of Britain might well be performed by Spitfires that were actually built a couple of years ago and Hispano Buchons with Merlin engines pretending to be 109s, and we rivet counters won't kick up too much fuss. But when a Nakajima Ki-43 Hayabusa is allowed to join the battle it all starts to get a bit silly...
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Old 11 Jul 2018, 16:49 (Ref:3836098)   #184
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…/ then we must be careful 'the show' does not turn into complete farce/ … it all starts to get a bit silly...
The world is mad and I dont see anyone or anything preventing this kind of event turning in a show. Thats what people want, sadly. The success in spectators and entrants show what people like to do and to see nowadays.
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Old 11 Jul 2018, 17:57 (Ref:3836116)   #185
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The world is mad and I dont see anyone or anything preventing this kind of event turning in a show. Thats what people want, sadly. The success in spectators and entrants show what people like to do and to see nowadays.
I think that when you go to a racetrack it's see motor racing but unfortunately more and more evnts are using show attractions to entice more and people and make the event bigger which loses the essence of it being a race meeting but I could be wrong.
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Old 11 Jul 2018, 19:24 (Ref:3836129)   #186
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I think that when you go to a racetrack it's see motor racing but unfortunately more and more evnts are using show attractions to entice more and people and make the event bigger which loses the essence of it being a race meeting but I could be wrong.
I don’t think Gerard was suggesting side attractions when he used the word ‘show’. IMHO Le Mans Classic is more about the cars than the two other big ‘spectator’ events I can think of- Goodwood Revival and Silverstone Classic. But when you have each ‘Plateau’ spanning many years and cars of considerably disparate performance, then races are bound to appear to be more of a show to some.
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Looking at the damage on some of cars seems to me there was a lot of actual racing!
With 60 odd cars in most grids you will get thirty real racers , twenty careful drivers and the rest going round in circles slowly . That’s as a rule of thumb
Seems to me that if you want to see actual racing LMC or Silverstone Classic
At LMC suggest the maximum number of jogging drivers are in G1 and Group C.
Leave the actual racers alone rather than run a contrived event . Some events are now following this formula
Spa 6 hours with about 14 new GT40’s is another solution to providing great racing
Not doing it for Spa crowds because there is next to nobody there dispite it being one of top five Historic Race Events
Don’t hold your breath but it seems people like doing concours and ponce about talking rubbish in the middle of baby show.
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It might be all about the cars, but when are you supposed to sleep!

I went this year, did not enjoy the weather at all, so was not overkeen on being out and about all night.

And missed every single session for the first and last groups, despite being out on track for at least 7 hours both days. All these two classes seemed to be very early or very late i the day, bith days I was there.

That to me is fairly poos on the part of the organisers.

I saw some cool stuff in the demos's, but hardly see the need for the Jaguar and Porsche races, there are enough of those cars in each section already. They were pointless for me I'm sorry.
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I don’t think Gerard was suggesting side attractions when he used the word ‘show’. IMHO Le Mans Classic is more about the cars than the two other big ‘spectator’ events I can think of- Goodwood Revival and Silverstone Classic. But when you have each ‘Plateau’ spanning many years and cars of considerably disparate performance, then races are bound to appear to be more of a show to some.
Sorry if I mis interpretated the topic of thought and looking back just seeing the cars should be savoured and talked about,not the quality of racing for the people who race them could quite easily tuck them away.
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Interesting thoughts John and I’m sure you are right . I’ve only done LMC twice but I have found a special comradminship amounst competitors and all mechanics and helpers . I for one at 3 am Friday was comendeared into another multi preprarer awning and subjected to drinking vast quantities of beer . Special place Le Mans . Roll on 2020.
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It might be all about the cars, but when are you supposed to sleep! I went this year, did not enjoy the weather at all, so was not overkeen on being out and about all night.
Anyone that goes to the 24hrs or LMC expecting to sleep is going to the wrong events, my friend.

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And missed every single session for the first and last groups, despite being out on track for at least 7 hours both days. All these two classes seemed to be very early or very late i the day, bith days I was there. That to me is fairly poos on the part of the organisers.
How the heck are the plateaux supposed to be run, then? As is the cars and drivers in each get the same amount of time for reprep and rest between races. (It wouldn't have taken much research to work out the format and plan accordingly.)

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I saw some cool stuff in the demos's, but hardly see the need for the Jaguar and Porsche races, there are enough of those cars in each section already. They were pointless for me I'm sorry.
I agree about the Porsche race, but it was a special to celebrate '70 years of Posrsche'. The Jag race presented an opportunity for lots of racers to drive Le Mans in cars that would possibly not get into the main event, and at considerably less cost! They don't get many laps, but have ticked the 'Le Mans' box..... If it was up to me- I'd lose the demos!
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Grid 1 raced at 4 Saturday afternoon and Grid 6 at 3 on Sunday pm
They are not anti social hours
The extra races which we could do without are needed to provide revenue to cover the increase charges being imposed by local authorities for road closures over the weekend
Have had cars at every LMC and from a great 2002 when motorhome was alongside pit paddocks and today when the situation in Houx on Wednesday and Thursday is a character forming exercise.
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Well, as a first timer I missed a lot of stuff as the times when I was at the track, which were not inconsiderable, I seemed to see the same things running, and as I didn't or couldn't find a program seller at the various palces I went to, I think my comment is valid.

I would never go to this event again to be honest, it is clearly for drivers and ahem, the very rich.

Enough sauid, goodbye and good riddance.
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Well, as a first timer I missed a lot of stuff as the times when I was at the track, which were not inconsiderable, I seemed to see the same things running, and as I didn't or couldn't find a program seller at the various palces I went to, I think my comment is valid.
Well its a 24hrs event which means there will be track action for at least 24 of those hours. Since the plateaus run in order then surely its not too difficult to work out when your favourite plateau (if any) is going to be on track?

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I would never go to this event again to be honest, it is clearly for drivers and ahem, the very rich.
I may have missed this but why did you go anyway?

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This was my first time at the Classic and while I was there ostensibly to work on the Scalextric stand (in an air conditioned area I may smugly add) I do have a few comments:

I loved the cars. And the access my paddock pass gave me. To see that many 917 Porsches was a dream, as was the deCadenet Lola. And all the other stuff...

Racing, I saw only a couple of races but it seemed good to me, the GT40 era (plat4 I think) on Saturday evening was great.

Surprised Chunder that you couldn't find a programme seller, where were you on the circuit? Certainly there was a vendor by each entrance and a couple by the pits.

Only negatives to me where:
Heat. (not anyone's fault...)

Friday grandstands where all free, Saturday you needed a ticket. Not the end of the world, and my pass to work the event probably meant I missed out on being told this!

Expensive. The food! My expenses claim is er, interesting!

But overall, a good event, I'm spoilt at Brands Hatch in that I see nearly the entire lap from my view point so it took some getting used to with the 4-6min laps, but I enjoyed it. And please, make the 90s GT parade a race!

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