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Old 15 Jan 2020, 12:05 (Ref:3951736)   #271
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Stats often shield the truth..... one of those 4th places Max was behind his teamate (Sainz) until Sainz had a car failure.
No he was NOT, in Hungary Sainz qualified 12th where Max qualified 9th, and Sainz retired on lap 60 when he was behind Max(Max just behind the lead group), at COTA Sainz finished 7th
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Old 28 Jan 2020, 20:40 (Ref:3954282)   #272
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The RIC decision from summer 2018 seems pretty straightforward to me. Justifiably thought Red Bull wouldn’t have a car capable of winning the championship, was feeling like RB wanted to focus on VES anyway, and there was one alternate seat available that paid top dollar (more than RB apparently) for two years until the next round of top drives came up for grabs. In addition, there was no doubt a hope that Renault got their act together and may themselves become a contender. Issue for him was/is to make sure that he was still viewed as a top driver by the time teams are signing drivers for 2021 in the event Renault were still mid-fielders.

He has one more year to prove he still has it. In my view he comfortably beat Hulk but the team bosses poll shows that despite that, his star has fallen a little. He will need to handle Ocon comfortably to be in with a shot for one of the top teams (or maybe Renault themselves can come good such that he wants to stay there). Even if he has a great year, my suspicion is that Mercedes will be more inclined to partner HAM with their next young star in RUS so the main seat for RIC is to hope Ferrari think they can have a better and more harmonious combination with RIC and LEC partnered than they have had with VET (and that is definitely my view - I think RIC is better than VET and his time with VES shows he can get along with a highly talented team mate). If OCO matches or beats RIC by the time 2021 seats are being signed, then RIC’s chances of a top drive would appear to be over.


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I think those are fair points. Ultimately, teams have data at their disposal to judge, but in Formula 1, you can quickly be forgotten as an upcoming star if you spend a time mired in the midfield. It is often all about perception and you go from being a "potential champion" to a "strong midfield driver', good on their day, like Hülkenberg may have become branded.
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Old 28 Jan 2020, 20:49 (Ref:3954283)   #273
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Thanks BR. I think this could be a make or break year for some. Certainly there are some that have found themselves solidly in the midfield. They have been plenty that have looked good lower down the formulae that have been stuck in a rut. For me though Hulkenberg should have had a better opportunity, even if he wasn’t quite on a par with the best of them
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Old 28 Jan 2020, 21:30 (Ref:3954288)   #274
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Max is of course good enough to go there but for my part, im taking Max's re-signing as confirmation that LH will be with Merc for a couple of more years.
If Hamilton wants to equal and beat Schumi's record of 7 WDCs, he needs to be with Merc for at least 2 years, or possibly more if he can't do it by 2021. However, if he does do it by 2021, that's when he might hang up his helmet and driving gloves.
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Old 28 Jan 2020, 23:35 (Ref:3954304)   #275
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If Hamilton wants to equal and beat Schumi's record of 7 WDCs, he needs to be with Merc for at least 2 years, or possibly more if he can't do it by 2021. However, if he does do it by 2021, that's when he might hang up his helmet and driving gloves.
Part of me thinks he's going to get caught up in the romance of beating Schumacher's WDC record in a Ferrari.
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Part of me thinks he's going to get caught up in the romance of beating Schumacher's WDC record in a Ferrari.
That would not surprise me at all, 7 with MB power and then want to get 8th in a Ferrari and drive off in to the sunset
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Part of me thinks he's going to get caught up in the romance of beating Schumacher's WDC record in a Ferrari.
I suppose he could but he would be well out of his comfort zone, what with the 2021 car and the unfamiliarity of a new team.
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I suppose he could but he would be well out of his comfort zone, what with the 2021 car and the unfamiliarity of a new team.
I'll be as diplomatic as I can by saying someone with Lewis' ....let's say 'confidence in self'... would back himself into winning it in a Ferrari.

Which will lead to a lot of very confused tifosi for a few races I'm sure!
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I'll be as diplomatic as I can by saying someone with Lewis' ....let's say 'confidence in self'... would back himself into winning it in a Ferrari.

Which will lead to a lot of very confused tifosi for a few races I'm sure!
He's got a better chance of that staying with Mercedes, particularly with the 2021 car. He will be with Mercedes from its inception. If he goes to Ferrari, he won't be.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again today: I just can't ever see Hamilton racing for the Red Team. It's way too much of a risk for both of them.

He's been with Mercedes in one form or another since he started climbing the ladder, whether in the McLaren driver development programme, with McLaren themselves, or with Mercedes F1. His time in F3 with Manor was with a Mercedes engine, his time in F3 with ASM/ART was with a Mercedes engine, in fact his only big-league year not with a Merc engine was his year in GP2 because the only engine supplier was Mecachrome. He was still aligned with Mercedes via his relationship with McLaren.

So I don't think Mercedes would let him, for one, and I would expect Ferrari would have to throw so much money at him to entice him across that they'd make a mess of their own finances. Unless Philip Morris want to splurge some hidden cash, of course...

Nope, just can't see it happening. There's too much in terms of reputation at stake for too many people.

Of course, if Mercedes were to stop racing altogether, it would be an open goal for Ferrari!
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Of course, if Mercedes were to stop racing altogether, it would be an open goal for Ferrari!
I can see the allure of winning for Ferrari, but I think he would have to be unhappy with or unable to race for Mercedes to jump ship. You hit one of the two. As to the other, I see no reason for him to be unhappy with his current situation.

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i feel as though Merc are about to offer him the most lucrative contract extension of all time.

but money aside, the biggest risk to LH in leaving Merc might just be that he will have to leave an open Merc seat behind.
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Go on then, I'll bite. Give us a decent reasoned argument as to exactly who these "plenty" are and how they might bring that glory along, because right now I can only really see two and they're completely embedded in the only two teams that are anywhere close to giving Mercedes a fight.
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