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Old 5 Dec 2019, 20:28 (Ref:3945066)   #121
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To counter Kempi's point, I don't agree the Mercedes was the better car in the second half of 17 & 18. Vettel was regularly in contention but simply events (or himself!) conspired against him, allowing Hamilton to breeze it in the last few rounds.

If Vettel has not gone into the kittylitter at Hockenheim last year, he would have been right in there.
He would have been able to hang in for longer (as he did in 2017). Even when the Ferrari was "on" in those two years, the Mercedes were a few seconds behind. When the Mercedes was "on" the Ferraris had no chance. Overall, the Mercedes was the better because more complete car. It may not have been the best in all topspeed, high, mid, low speed corners but it was always able to challenge. Something the Ferrari never had.

And on top of that they had an error prone Vettel who was never himself anymore after Singapore 2017 and even less Hockenheim 2018. Something went off mentally.
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Old 7 Dec 2019, 12:14 (Ref:3945363)   #122
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So many what ifs.

1976
1982 could ahve had numerous champions
1986.

and the sad occasions of 1989 and 1990

1995 were it not for a dodgy German
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Old 7 Dec 2019, 21:35 (Ref:3945440)   #123
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So many what ifs.

1976
1982 could ahve had numerous champions
1986.

and the sad occasions of 1989 and 1990

1995 were it not for a dodgy German
Would you like to expand on this crossword clue?
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Old 8 Dec 2019, 09:09 (Ref:3945531)   #124
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1982 had so many potential champions apart from Rosberg in the coulda woulda shoulda category

Pironi would have won it but for his crash in Germany
Wattie could have done it, but for his mid season bad luck
Prost perhaps should have, if only his Renault was much more reliable
Lauda had an outside chance depending on McLaren's appeal against his Zolder DQ, but a lot depended on other things
Arnoux could also have done it, had he had better reliability. He was back on form after a tough 1981
Patrese was actually ahead of Rosberg at the halfway point of the season. Who knows if he had stuck with the reliable Cosworth engine in the second half of the season?
Same with Piquet, although he probably wouldn't have won 83 if he stuck with the Cosworth engine
Villeneuve we know what happened to him, he would certainly would have had the car to take the title
Lole if had done a full season could have done it, certainly he would have been the No. 1 in the team

Amazingly Tambay feels he could have won the title if not for the neck problems which made him miss a couple of races. Certainly if had won Dijon he would have gone into the final race with a good chance. And this after missing the first half of the season
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Old 9 Dec 2019, 23:10 (Ref:3945848)   #125
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81 and 82 were 2 of the most open seasons in the last 40 odd years!

Back to topic. Mario receny said he could've joined McLaren for'81 but plumped for Alfa.
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Old 9 Jan 2020, 06:48 (Ref:3950559)   #126
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80 Jones
81 Piquet
82 Pironi
83 Piquet
84 Lauda
85 Senna
86 Senna
87 Senna
88 Senna
89 Senna
90 Senna
91 Senna
92 Senna
93 Senna
94 Senna
95 Senna
96 Senna
97 Senna
98 Senna
99 Irvine
00 Senna
01 Senna
02 Senna
03 Senna
04 Senna
05 Senna
06 Senna
07 Senna
08 Senna
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Your analysis seems to be very plausible, except you have me kind of confused for the 09 season. Please let us know which Senna did you mean, Ayrton Senna or his nephew Bruno Senna?
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Your analysis seems to be very plausible, except you have me kind of confused for the 09 season. Please let us know which Senna did you mean, Ayrton Senna or his nephew Bruno Senna?
Only feintly plausible that anyone named Senna would be WDC after 2000 I would have thought!
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had his uncle not passed, Bruno may have a very different motorsports/F1 career.
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Old 9 Jan 2020, 15:33 (Ref:3950652)   #129
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Indeed, Bruno quit karting after the death of Ayrton after pressure from his mother. There is the famous quote by Ayrton of ‘if you think I’m fast, wait till you see my nephew Bruno’, so he probably would have continued that speed with more karting experience.

He only started racing proper in 04 when he was 20, so he probably would have got into single seater racing earlier had it not been for those lost years
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the scoring system has changed a few times over the years
how many champions would be different using another years scoring?
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how many champions would be different using another years scoring?


Doesn’t mean much. The champion will always do the minimum to win the title most of the time. Look at 82. Rosberg settled for 5th in the final round because that’s all he needed. And then there’s 83. Once Prost retired, Piquet gave up his lead and eventually finished 3rd because he wanted to make sure of the title
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sidebar...fun site that with some great graphs and charts. check out the tabs/sections at the top to play around with past seasons, various scoring options, other fun metrics.

https://formula1.markwessel.com/home

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Doesn’t mean much. The champion will always do the minimum to win the title most of the time. Look at 82. Rosberg settled for 5th in the final round because that’s all he needed. And then there’s 83. Once Prost retired, Piquet gave up his lead and eventually finished 3rd because he wanted to make sure of the title
The thing is, more points means people can stay in the hunt in a competitive year (there were more open seasons in the early-mid 80's than today!) Therefore I think drivers are compelled to max out as more is on the line.

The dropped scores thing was always daft and that's the one would've made a difference in several cases.
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