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Old 21 Jun 2008, 15:09 (Ref:2234127)   #1
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Five place penalty for Kovalainen

Deemed to have impeded Mark Webber.

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Old 21 Jun 2008, 15:09 (Ref:2234128)   #2
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It's almost becoming tedious now isn't it?
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 15:16 (Ref:2234132)   #3
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Webber lost nothing because he'd already done his lap. No practical reason to issue a penalty. I wonder how much Bernie's wife will give for this one?
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 16:41 (Ref:2234160)   #4
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Webber lost nothing because he'd already done his lap. No practical reason to issue a penalty.
Indeed.

Anyone would think that someone had it in for McLaren...
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 17:02 (Ref:2234165)   #5
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Love this quote from Grandprix.com

"This means that he will start 10th, unless there are other penalties between now and the start of the race."


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Old 21 Jun 2008, 17:03 (Ref:2234166)   #6
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I did notice that Kimi was driving slowly down the back straight on the racing line during quali. I can't remember whose on board we were watching at the time, but he had to go off line to pass the Ferrari. I thought that this was now unacceptable? No penalty there though.
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 17:05 (Ref:2234168)   #7
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Webber lost nothing because he'd already done his lap. No practical reason to issue a penalty. I wonder how much Bernie's wife will give for this one?
That's verbatim what James Allen said but that was totally wrong.
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 17:06 (Ref:2234169)   #8
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Total rubbish.

All these penalties are taking the pee out of car racing!!!!!!!!!!

Might just watch Moto GP tomorrow instead
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 17:08 (Ref:2234172)   #9
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I seen this penalty coming a mile off.
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 17:12 (Ref:2234177)   #10
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I seen this penalty coming a mile off.
Do you know why you did?

Because it was warranted

An unfair penalty will be one that no one saw coming.
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 17:13 (Ref:2234178)   #11
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I seen this penalty coming a mile off.
Is it you that's sitting on the hillside with the binoculars?
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 17:19 (Ref:2234186)   #12
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I have thought about it, and I'm pretty sure this should be a penalty.

It shouldn't make a difference whether it mattered to Webber or not - what if he had been out and needed a hot lap or there were others that could bump him?

Wouldn't the real nitpicking be if the stewards started to see if it was penalty or not based on if there were others at the end of the session that could have possibly eclipsed Mark's laptime?

Are they gonna write the rules so that you can impede someone while they are on a hot lap if it doesn't matter to them? Is this not a safety hazard?

Was Heikki's laptime within the 107% laptime?

Heikki made an error and did something he surely knew would get penalized for and has now received a penalty.

Not open and shut, but still the right choice I'd say.
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 17:26 (Ref:2234191)   #13
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There's no doubt that Webber was impeded,but what the hell was Heikki supposed to do?

Looking forward to Silverstone and both McLaren's getting five place grid penalties because their cars are too 'silvery'.
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 17:30 (Ref:2234195)   #14
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This is ridiculous. Traffic is just a part of the job. With this sort of actions the FIA take more and more the purity and natural flow out of the sport.
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 17:36 (Ref:2234200)   #15
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It is starting to become a joke.
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 17:37 (Ref:2234201)   #16
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Yes, the amount of times people blocked in qualifying (accidentally or not) in the past you'd need a book to list them. To list the punishments, however, would require no ink.

Still, we are in the age of "every minute incident must be punished so we are seen to be doing something and placating the dullwitted simpletons" decisions, so it goes with the territory I suppose. Sad but inevitable.

Whatever next I wonder?
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 17:44 (Ref:2234205)   #17
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Considering Webber even made it to Q3 i don't understand why the stewards even needed to get involved.
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 17:46 (Ref:2234207)   #18
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Because it was a McLaren?
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 17:48 (Ref:2234212)   #19
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It all became a joke a long time ago.
Given the options that HK had open too him, I think he made the best possible effort to get out of Webber's way.
Whatever became of the team skill of putting your car into a gap in traffic to give you the clearest run available.
Now the car in front is to blame and takes the penalty.
Fiddled It Again.
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 17:54 (Ref:2234214)   #20
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Whatever next I wonder?
McLaren get further five place grid penalty penalties for accumulating too many penalties.
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 17:57 (Ref:2234215)   #21
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There's no doubt that Webber was impeded,but what the hell was Heikki supposed to do?

Looking forward to Silverstone and both McLaren's getting five place grid penalties because their cars are too 'silvery'.
Or if they end up on the front row they'll be penalised for not being red enough
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 18:05 (Ref:2234222)   #22
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Yet more lunacy from Ferrari International Assistance ...
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I'll do a knowlesy here...

*yawn*

He impeded a driver in qualifying, the precedent has been set - you get a penalty. He didn't mean to, but that doesn't matter.
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 18:13 (Ref:2234229)   #24
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Kovalainen was on the outside of the corner going round it. Whats he meant to do, either stop on track, or drive off it to let the other guy through?
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Old 21 Jun 2008, 18:24 (Ref:2234232)   #25
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Dare I say this penalty is complete nonsense..What are these chaps supposed to do?
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