German ATS F3 Cup cancelled for 2015

[andrewc]

Today its been announced that the German ATS F3 Cup championship will not run in 2015...

[NaBUru38]

British F3, Italian F3, now German F3.

We should thank Gerhard Berger and FIA for killing all these F3 championships.

Not.

[JD Media]

If FIA F3 really has 50 entries and so 18 can not race, why don't they do/allow new cars in German F3?

Probably not all 18 will join, but still...

[edenrace]

Very foolish of the German organisers not to merger with the British series as was offered to them in November. It would have worked for all and could have been very successful

[mgcsaylor]

Exactly!

[andrewc]

Yes, I agree.

An opportunity missed by both series, and becomes 10 times harder to relaunch a series that is 'taking a year out'

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

British F3, Italian F3, now German F3.

We should thank Gerhard Berger and FIA for killing all these F3 championships.

Not.

+1

So much for the FIA being an F3 supporter

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Whilst Berger is to blame for the decline of these series', this series has been killed by the smaller teams within it by not wanting to merge with Brit F3. Very selfish and as it turns out awful decision. Imo serves then right.

And if the 2 had merged, we'd have a mini Euroseries for the spillover entries to Euro F3 to enter. Good thinking from all involved. Sometimes I wonder if people with power know what long term or compromise means...

[ivanalesi]

Not a big deal, they'll go racing in the Remus Cup
JD Media, there are NOT 50 drivers! Some team willing to offer a drive is different to actually having a driver with budget in place.

[Juntos]

Originally Posted by edenrace

Very foolish of the German organisers not to merger with the British series as was offered to them in November. It would have worked for all and could have been very successful

Don't whip the cat. If they refuted it, it is cause they had a reason.

[mgcsaylor]

Come on! Stop blaming the FIA/Berger for the demise of these series. The Brits saw it coming with 7 cars on the grid last year, and the Germans should have too. They wanted to save the series for the smaller teams, who had no real chance of winning anyway.

Once the new FIA series was announced, the writing was on the wall. The best teams wanted to compete in the best series. Simple as that.

[ger80]

Disagree. The FIA makes the life of the smaller F3 series difficult on purpose, e.g. teams that want to run both get in trouble with the big F3 test restrictions ...

[gomick]

What would the British/German F3 merged series have been called?

[Motorsportfreak]

That is sad I saw the series first in 2004 at the Beru Top Ten in Oschersleben, it was a great field. It was always good racing, except for the last season. The field was to Little and scattering between the Drivers to high. Markus Pommer, Indy Dontje and Nabil Jeffri are always dominant and the others are to slow.

[Mekola]

I see no true enthusiasm for FIA to create cheap series.

[edenrace]

Idea was to run 2 separate series each of 4 races, regulations very similar possibly fuel and tyres different. Then it would give the opportunity for both to get bigger in the future. Sadly the German contingent could not see that staying independent would be the end of both series.

[edenrace]

I have just been looking at the various F3 series in 2011 , British, German and Italian, they all ran with approximately 20 cars ,60 in total.
Then G Berger took control, we now have none of the above just one European series with an anticipated total of 30 cars running (I think we can ignore the 50 so called entries)
Good job Gerhard slashed F3 by 50%

[bella]

it doesn't look good does it? the beauty of f3 pre-berger was the wide range of uses for the chassis. now there's only option.

do you forsee the same thing happening to the f4 side of things, or is there enough diveristy at that level for it to not have a knock on effect on the huge renault market?

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

F4 is supposed to be on a national level, and the new focus is to create F2, which looks like it will be a rebadged GP2 once the FIA successfully murder all of the FR categories.

[Juntos]

Anyone want to start the bidding on what happens next? Going once, going twice.

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Originally Posted by Juntos

Anyone want to start the bidding on what happens next? Going once, going twice.

European F3 kills off GP3 too...

[helgi]

I'm really afraid of F3 becoming a new version of GP3 with no chance of seeing some kind of diversity in chassis. Engines could be of different makes but there's almost no sense in it while the rules are so strict in this area. As for the reason - hasn't it become a bit expensive even for Europe to have a domestic F3 championships? With all that FR series - maybe they just offer a better content?

[Mekola]

Originally Posted by edenrace

I have just been looking at the various F3 series in 2011 , British, German and Italian, they all ran with approximately 20 cars ,60 in total.
Then G Berger took control, we now have none of the above just one European series with an anticipated total of 30 cars running (I think we can ignore the 50 so called entries)
Good job Gerhard slashed F3 by 50%

I do not expect that Berger was a worse deadly jester that Nelsao... Oh my.

[mgcsaylor]

And how many of those teams from the German, British and Italian series of 2011 were truly championship-caliber teams or drivers? Not saying that everyone in the European series is top notch - Jo Zeller in particular - but if you look at last year, there were 7 drivers in the British series and not all of them won a race! That's truly absurd.

Both the British and German series had chances to save themselves but couldn't/didn't. Their fault, not Berger or the FIA's. And who is going to want to spend their hard-earned $, and time, to go see a series with only 7-10 entries? Aren't we starting to see that now in F1?

You can see from the level of talent in this year's Toyota Racing Series in New Zealand what having one series will do for you. Last year the Florida Winter Series diluted the pool of talent, this year no FWS.

And yes, Dallara has a virtual lock on F3. And it has that because it is the best. Mygale, ArtLine and the others can still make a car and enter it into the series, but if they can't beat Dallara, then that's their fault, not Dallara's. Like listening to all the bleeding heart politicians here in the US that you're supposed to feel bad for doing good. Give up your competitive advantage. This is why NASCAR has turned into the World Wrestling Federation on wheels - do good and you're punished for it!

I for one don't mind the FIA running the show here. That is their job after all. I'd rather have them run the junior series than have more money line the pockets of Bernie and Flavio a la GP3 and GP2. Look at what's happened with F1 since Mosley sold off the rights. Tell me it's better off.

As for GP3 getting killed off by European F3, it will get killed off by itself. Too damn expensive to compete. Again, thanks to Bernie and Flavio for that. Not the fault of Dallara, not F3, not the FIA.

Again, blame the losers here - British and German F3 - for what happened, not the FIA.

[W.A Trichlorostyrene]

Originally Posted by mgcsaylor

And yes, Dallara has a virtual lock on F3. And it has that because it is the best. Mygale, ArtLine and the others can still make a car and enter it into the series, but if they can't beat Dallara, then that's their fault, not Dallara's.

Well, ArtLine tells a different story.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117728

ArtTech wants to stick to the central-exhaust concept, which featured on the Dallaras of the mid-to-late 1990s.

It claims that the FIA's stance will force any constructor wanting to take on Dallara in the F3 market to produce a near-identical concept to the Italian giant.

In a letter to the FIA, the company said: "The current technical regulations are explicitly composed around the only existing Formula 3 chassis up to date - Dallara 314 - including the homologated dampers, gearbox casing and exhaust systems which are designed to fit only Dallara F312-314 chassis."