[WEC] 2018-2019 WEC Super Season

[Adam43]

The timing sheet for 23 hours says the track conditions are wet.

[Mike E]

Originally Posted by Adam43

The timing sheet for 23 hours says the track conditions are wet.

It didn't last long. According to WEC Twitter there was light rain at 5:49am and it was dry again at 6:03am.

[Adam43]

Thanks.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Thanks. I'd been asleep, so all I could see what Ant. Do you know who's done most driving?

I could make a list but it's a tedious process to go through the 600+ laps If it weren't 1:30 am here I would.

[Akrapovic]

tRL Timing

#7 Toyota details.

[carbsmith]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

I don't think the private teams are sandbagging. They're too close to have all decided to sandbag to the same level. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the times are decently representative.

That's the normal way to sandbag though, only go +/- 0.1s of the current fastest to make it look close.

[Mike E]

The question is: should the fastest P2 lap be within 4% of the fastest P1 non-hybrid lap?

Does that seem like a reasonable gap? I don't know.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

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tRL Timing

#7 Toyota details.

they are cycling through the drivers. Excellent.

[XtC24]

Well, I think there is something about Toyotas in Qualifying comparing to the race in terms of pace.
Look:
Silverstone last year. Toyota's HD car was very, very fast in Qualifying and then in the race Porsche even in LD configuration was close.
I remember someone from Porsche saying that they were actually afraid, that they will be lapped by Toyota in the race. Nothing like that materialised in the race obviously.

Then at Le Mans Kobayashi set amazing record in Qualifying - a 3.14.791, but in the race itself Porsche was very close, the difference in long run pace was very tiny if at all. Someone from Toyota said during the race, that they seem to be quicker than Porsche in the third stint of tyres, which makes for the difference between them.

Then at the Nurburgring Toyota somehow managed to get the pole but in the race they were struggling to hold off the 919s in the first stint and after Toyota lost the lead, Porsche was able to get away from them.

I don't know why, but it seems like there is bigger difference in Toyotas between one lap pace and the long runs, comparing to others.

So I think it could be the same with privateers this year. In race the non hybrids could be very close maybe even faster, especially at LM.
This is just the beginning for them, the BR1's are fastest and they should be beause they got the most running of the privateers, right? Who knows where the Ginetta and Rebellion can get if they get more mileage, they are making first proper running here actually...

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by Turbodcc

I put my money on those quick Toyota times not been realistic

Toyota’s Top Times At Prologue Achieved By Running Un-Restricted - Cooling system being tested at Ricard

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2018/0...estricted.html

--- DSC has looked at the times, the fastest lap set by a Toyota since 5pm yesterday a 1:38.142 by the #7 TS050 HYBRID, on its 436th lap. Toyota’s technical director Pascal Vasselon has also confirmed this. That puts the #7 fifth in the times set since, behind the #11 SMP Racing BR1, the #1 Rebellion Racing R-13, #17 SMP BR1 and #4 ByKolles.

[TzeiTzei]

Well that's an interesting twist.

[Deleted]

More like game changer entirely

Hopefully the non-specialized media outlets will notice this and not keep touting TOYOTA FIVE SECONDS CLEAR etc

[Badlands99]

Originally Posted by Chiana

More like game changer entirely

Hopefully the non-specialized media outlets will notice this and not keep touting TOYOTA FIVE SECONDS CLEAR etc

Unlikely ................

Can see it now ..........'Alonso's Toyota five seconds quicker than anything else in testing!'

They will not be able to resist it!

[Deleted]

Yes...

Well Autosport's noticed it at least lol

Now, my only fear in Toyota actually not being the fastest after all, but rather being somewhere in the midst of nonhybrids (as the data so far seems to suggest (unless they're sandbagging now) despite TMG doing 500-600 laps more than the other teams)) is that EoT tweaking will now be enforced in some sort of ad hoc fashion to ensure that it is (Alonso's) Toyota that still grabs pole at Le Mans... not bunch of no-name Russians with Dallara.

But hopefully they just leave them be. And I would have said the same thing had there actually been 5 second gap between the hybrid and nonhybrid too, btw. This isn't GTE, let them do what they do.

LM's going to be great.

[EffectiveSprinkles]

Very interesting. Maybe this will mean Toyota will introduce some updates for Le Mans (rules permitting) after all! They did ask for this

[Lutzvic]

Actually this is great news! Le Mans will be epic this year.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Toyota’s Top Times At Prologue Achieved By Running Un-Restricted - Cooling system being tested at Ricard

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2018/0...estricted.html

--- DSC has looked at the times, the fastest lap set by a Toyota since 5pm yesterday a 1:38.142 by the #7 TS050 HYBRID, on its 436th lap. Toyota’s technical director Pascal Vasselon has also confirmed this. That puts the #7 fifth in the times set since, behind the #11 SMP Racing BR1, the #1 Rebellion Racing R-13, #17 SMP BR1 and #4 ByKolles.

I feel like their true pace is somewhere in the middle of those unrestricted times and their later times that have them down the timesheets. I have no doubt they will be 1-2 in the opening qualifying.

[chernaudi]

I think that the 1:38 is undeniably conservative from Toyota unless the ACO really did a good job with BOP. I can see them easily doing 1:37s or 1:36s if they wanted to.

At least the privateers shouldn't be the 4-5 seconds off the pace that it seemed on the surface that they would be during the test.

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by joeb

I feel like their true pace is somewhere in the middle of those unrestricted times and their later times that have them down the timesheets. I have no doubt they will be 1-2 in the opening qualifying.

Yes I still expect them to blast everyone else to oblivion come wednesday qualifying in June, but they'll probably only give half-hearted efforts for times in Spa and Test Day

Anyway, as I've said none of this really matters in the actual races, it will be all about reliability and to some extent stint lengths. At least until the sprint races in the fall

[TF110]

I don't know about the Toyota running "unrestricted" on those fast laps. I only read they ran a bigger amount of boost from the hybrid to test the cooling. That's what Vasselon stated and that would be outside of the eot. I think there's some exaggeration going on both sides of the truth. If the times from the long run is true then the cars are really close. Just like I thought it would be.

[canaglia]

Actually the car was definitely overpowered until lap 178, where top speeds over 330km/h have always been marked. From 179 and on, there has been a huge top speed drop; from >330km/h to about 310-315km/h.
Laptimes dropped to an average 1.38-1.40 for the whole remaining program.... with an average 1.40-1.42 at some points. Don't know if because of tyres or driver's lack of pace.

If you ask me:
LD 2018 TS050 best performance should be in the range of high 1.35-1.36; with a race trim in a 1.38-1.40 range (or even slower).
BR1 AER and rebellion best effort for now is low 1.37; with a race trim in a 1.39-1.41 range.
Other private lmp1 are somehow slower; manor and ginetta engineers guess still have a lot to learn, BR1 gibson was HD, as usual CLM got an insane engine, but awful chassis/aero.

Maybe performances are closer than we could expect.

[MaskedRacer]

Clear peking order in GTE from the test: 1) Porsche 2)Ford 3)Ferrari 4/5)BMW and Aston Martin.

All of the GTE cars looking great. Hope they get lots of TV air time on the broadcasts this year.

[Deleted]

Aston Martin being at the bottom of timesheets in every session in lead up to Le Mans wednesday, moaning, and then magically being right on the pace, it's just one of those "traditions".

Anyway, as we've all been concentrating entirely on LMP1 - for a reason of course - I must say that the P2 Dallara of RTN seemed to be setting surprisingly good times against Oreca and Onroak? I mean okay this particular entry won't be in any contention come June thanks to the bronzers again but the other two probably will? I assume the new "joker" allowances for everybody-except-Oreca was already in place in this one?

It also beat both of the Ginettas in Mistral straight line speed. Going faster than high downforce Toyota of course not as much surprise, also considering what lunacy the chassis had at Mulsanne last year, but you know

[Mike E]

Some wobbly video

https://youtu.be/Jq5PTv5BwNE
https://youtu.be/guvObhWyoPk
https://youtu.be/xAZ7_txM-GA
https://youtu.be/S6LVjdFgCXQ

[Mike E]

SMP in car

https://youtu.be/2JfqFbnQKrg