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Old 8 Jun 2013, 09:20 (Ref:3259264)   #126
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I think the news expected was an additional manufacturer to announce plans. Is this that announcement though? Im hoping theres more.
I just checked back and Graham said in the rumours thread that the test day announcement wasn't Rebellion. So hopefully there's more to come.
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Old 8 Jun 2013, 09:23 (Ref:3259265)   #127
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I just checked back and Graham said in the rumours thread that the test day announcement wasn't Rebellion. So hopefully there's more to come.
Will be Nissan to present their "56th garage car"??? and 2015 LMP1 "assault"??
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Old 8 Jun 2013, 10:14 (Ref:3259276)   #128
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Will be Nissan to present their "56th garage car"??? and 2015 LMP1 "assault"??
Supposedly the programme is for 2014 - so not Nissan.
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Old 8 Jun 2013, 10:40 (Ref:3259280)   #129
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Good news, I'm happy for Rebellion and wish them well.
If the real car looks close to that it'll be a beauty

I hope they revert to the red/white/gold livery too, it was very cool.
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Old 8 Jun 2013, 10:45 (Ref:3259282)   #130
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Great stuff for Rebellion, can't wait to see the final car! It's great to see a private team willing to stay and invest big time in P1, who knows, if they get a few more breaks or this car is really competitive, a few overall podiums if the factory teams stuff it up
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Old 8 Jun 2013, 10:47 (Ref:3259283)   #131
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Good news, I'm happy for Rebellion and wish them well.
If the real car looks close to that it'll be a beauty

I hope they revert to the red/white/gold livery too, it was very cool.
I agree, that car in their red and white 'Swiss' livery really would be very nice.

I doubt they will be able to challenge Audi/Toyota/Porsche but you need privateers and they are a well run outfit. Hopefully we'll get a couple more.
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Old 8 Jun 2013, 11:11 (Ref:3259293)   #132
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I'm thrilled by this news. I'm a fan of Rebellion and have been for several years now. Great to finally hear of their 2014 plans.

I remain sceptical as to whether they will be able to compete for overall wins, because logic dictates that manufacturers will always have the advantage through more resources/cash.

Could someone with a better technical understanding of the regulations than me explain what help privateers get in 2014 to bring them closer to the manufacturers? Thanks.
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Old 8 Jun 2013, 11:42 (Ref:3259303)   #133
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I don't know much about regulations.

But in my opinion if they manage at least to put some pressure on the big boys for a couple of hours and finish the race less than 10 laps behind the winner it will be a huge accomplishment already. Hoping for more is not realistic (I wish it was) at this point.
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Old 8 Jun 2013, 11:43 (Ref:3259304)   #134
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That's great news!not what everyone expected, but still great to see support of Lmp's going into the future.
Not great news for ALMS fans.
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...-2013-program/
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Old 8 Jun 2013, 11:44 (Ref:3259305)   #135
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Old 8 Jun 2013, 12:03 (Ref:3259321)   #136
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I would suggest 3 Porsches !!!! But great news from Rebellion ..... looks great .
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Old 8 Jun 2013, 12:06 (Ref:3259322)   #137
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Great move for Rebellion.

However, who will they be competing with next year? The diesel constructors or the Petrol privateers? Rebellion seem to have found a bit of a gap in the market.
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Old 8 Jun 2013, 12:11 (Ref:3259324)   #139
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Interesting times.

Sounds as if Toyota's blessing is forthcoming.
Or they don't care: Win LM13, retire at end of season. Claim endurance racing marketing kudos by referring to the engine being raced. A recurring classic.

Anyways, happy for Rebellion. Now with small manufacturers popping up (again), I hope we can get rid of the big ones.
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Old 8 Jun 2013, 14:04 (Ref:3259354)   #140
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Great to see Rebellion getting a new chassis, if only those lights could be kept on the final product.
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Old 8 Jun 2013, 14:04 (Ref:3259355)   #141
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Anyways, happy for Rebellion. Now with small manufacturers popping up (again), I hope we can get rid of the big ones.
Wouldn't be so bad if the rules weren't written to favour the big manufacturers. They need to be forced to supply powertrains at low fixed prices.
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Old 8 Jun 2013, 15:00 (Ref:3259370)   #142
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Wouldn't be so bad if the rules weren't written to favour the big manufacturers. They need to be forced to supply powertrains at low fixed prices.
That or year old machinery to top privateer teams with good drivers, such as what happened with Oreca in 2010 with the 908 but I'm sure manufacturers wouldn't be too happy if it were written into the rules to provide privateers with year old cars. I think what needs to happen is a few season similar to 2004-2006 where it was pretty much just about the small constructors, that will bring out the smaller constructors and encourage some development.
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Old 8 Jun 2013, 15:31 (Ref:3259379)   #143
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What fantastic news and from the pictures the car looks great can't wait to see it next year.
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Rebellion aiming for the win next year!
http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...nce-18707.html

Rather ambitious, but fair play to them!
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Old 8 Jun 2013, 20:37 (Ref:3259471)   #145
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http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...nce-18707.html

Rather ambitious, but fair play to them!
If they win it would be fantastic. Am I correct (or in-correct) in assuming that Audi and Toyota have to build new cars for next year or are they grand-fathered?
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If they win it would be fantastic. Am I correct (or in-correct) in assuming that Audi and Toyota have to build new cars for next year or are they grand-fathered?
I think all the Prototypes are grand-fathered in for next year, but you'll need a new car if you want a realistic shot at winning.

There is no way the ACO will allow a 2013 car to be faster than a 2014 car. The 2013 car will have massive restrictions (think of the 2011 Oreca Peugeot).
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I think all the Prototypes are grand-fathered in for next year, but you'll need a new car if you want a realistic shot at winning.

There is no way the ACO will allow a 2013 car to be faster than a 2014 car. The 2013 car will have massive restrictions (think of the 2011 Oreca Peugeot).
Even if this is the case Rebellion and Oreca will have to build a pretty special car together to beat the grand-fathered TS030's, R18's and the new Porsche's. I do hope Rebellion can do what Pescarolo failed to do and stick it to the big manufacturers and win at Le Mans though, I guess we just have to wait till next year and see how things play out.
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Even if this is the case Rebellion and Oreca will have to build a pretty special car together to beat the grand-fathered TS030's, R18's and the new Porsche's. I do hope Rebellion can do what Pescarolo failed to do and stick it to the big manufacturers and win at Le Mans though, I guess we just have to wait till next year and see how things play out.
Well I meant in the case of manufacturers. Since Porsche is new, they are building brand new cars for 2014 and the ACO wouldn't want 2013 Toyotas and Audis running faster than a 2014 Porsche (barring a complete disaster like Aston Martin LMP1 in 2011), so by default that would force Toyota and Audi to run brand new cars for 2014. If you can follow my logic.
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Could someone with a better technical understanding of the regulations than me explain what help privateers get in 2014 to bring them closer to the manufacturers? Thanks.
Page 46: http://www.mulsannescorner.com/2014%...28,%202012.pdf

"No ERS" = practically the non-hybrid privateer class.
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