BTCC 2010 rumour mill - Page 37

Craner Curves · 3 Mar 2010, 21:00 (Ref:2644345)

Quote:

Originally Posted by trebor901

Is it really that much of a loss for BTCC if we're honest? i dont think so

A bit harsh? It definitely is a loss for WSR. He did really well in the second half of the year. From championship winning team to struggling for sponsors and only one driver signed up for their three cars.

Shows how the PCCGB is getting bigger in stature though, if drivers are taking steps down from the big series like Jelley is.

pinkd56 · 3 Mar 2010, 21:06 (Ref:2644348)

Maybe Jelley is saving his pocket money for 2011

touring fan01 · 3 Mar 2010, 21:43 (Ref:2644394)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Shows how the PCCGB is getting bigger in stature though, if drivers are taking steps down from the big series like Jelley is.

Yes, but its not like he chose to step down.

redshoes · 3 Mar 2010, 21:50 (Ref:2644400)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Shows how the PCCGB is getting bigger in stature though, if drivers are taking steps down from the big series like Jelley is.

I don't think Jelley had a lot of options. He was struggling to find any budget this year and his 'Slice Of' scheme had all the makings of a last gasp 'hail Mary'.

Agree with you about WSR. Six months ago who would have predicted that the championship winning team would be struggling to run even one car.

trebor901 · 3 Mar 2010, 21:50 (Ref:2644401)

but its not a step down, PCC cars are a step up in terms of speed and everything

gregc · 3 Mar 2010, 21:52 (Ref:2644407)

Quote:

Originally Posted by trebor901

Is it really that much of a loss for BTCC if we're honest? i dont think so

If you had asked me that this time last year, I'd have agreed. But he made some good progress last year, and towards the end did a very good job supporting Turkington. I never thought I'd say this after his first season, but yeah, it probably is a loss for the series.

trebor901 · 3 Mar 2010, 22:16 (Ref:2644426)

also with all these big teams having problems then perhaps BTCC need to look at stuff like entry fee's and the fact that none of the teams get any prize money for winning, they expect independants now to pay the same as a manufacturer, its just stupid.

touring fan01 · 3 Mar 2010, 22:18 (Ref:2644429)

Quote:

Originally Posted by trebor901

but its not a step down, PCC cars are a step up in terms of speed and everything

So a driver going from BTCC to Carrera Cup is not a step down, in your book?

Right...uhuh.....Ok then.

touring fan01 · 3 Mar 2010, 22:21 (Ref:2644433)

Quote:

Originally Posted by trebor901

also with all these big teams having problems then perhaps BTCC need to look at stuff like entry fee's and the fact that none of the teams get any prize money for winning, they expect independants now to pay the same as a manufacturer, its just stupid.

I've no idea why you would say that, because there is prizemoney paid in both cash and free tyres. Its something like £150,000 for the season if I remember correctly!

trebor901 · 3 Mar 2010, 22:35 (Ref:2644444)

what £150,000 to enter? i heard it was £250,000 per car

touring fan01 · 3 Mar 2010, 22:43 (Ref:2644451)

Quote:

Originally Posted by trebor901

what £150,000 to enter? i heard it was £250,000 per car

What on earth are you talking about? Of course thats not the entry fee. The £150,000 is the prize fund that you said didnt exist.

redshoes · 3 Mar 2010, 22:45 (Ref:2644455)

Quote:

Originally Posted by trebor901

also with all these big teams having problems then perhaps BTCC need to look at stuff like entry fee's and the fact that none of the teams get any prize money for winning, they expect independants now to pay the same as a manufacturer, its just stupid.

Entry fees aren't really an issue.

http://www.btcc.net/pdf/regulations_2010.pdf
Section 6.5.1.a
Driver registration is £15,320 + VAT per driver
Manufacturer / Construction registration is £7,000 + VAT per team

Of course that's only a tiny part of the overall cost of running a team.

Jamesy-18 · 4 Mar 2010, 07:53 (Ref:2644623)

Shame about Jelley, he really proved himself as a top class driver in me eyes last year with his 2 maiden wins. Finally showed he can mix it with the big boys. Best of look to him im the PCCGB.

**BertMk2** · 4 Mar 2010, 09:59 (Ref:2644688)

Quote:

Originally Posted by touring fan01

So a driver going from BTCC to Carrera Cup is not a step down, in your book?

Right...uhuh.....Ok then.

Depends what their long term aim is - if he's looking to shift into sportscars in the future then it won't hurt to have experience of a porker. The profile may not be as high but it could be a good career move if options are limited in touring cars.

steve_r · 4 Mar 2010, 11:58 (Ref:2644749)

With a full season of experience in BTCC under his belt, I think Jelly would have taken his improved late season form into this season, so I do think it is a loss to BTCC.

medius · 4 Mar 2010, 13:05 (Ref:2644788)

Exactly, its takes skill and ability to win in the BTCC and Stephen is a double race winner.

Being in the PCCGB keeps him on the same bill as the BTCC so he'll still be in the sights of BTCC teams this season, and being a sportscar could open up all manner of avenues in that area. If he could only get a budget that left the options of a front running Porsche or a lower/mid-pack BTCC drive, I'm sure being towards the front of a televised championship will offer more sponsorship appeal.

davyboy · 4 Mar 2010, 14:02 (Ref:2644830)

The way the BTCC stands at the moment, any 2009 driver is a loss to the championship. Stephen Jelly is a double race winner and his funding and support were a significant contributing factor to WSR's championship last year.

As has been said, he's probably descamping in preparation for a 2011 campaign.

trebor901 · 4 Mar 2010, 19:11 (Ref:2645024)

i dont know why WSR dont have sponsorship because its a championship winning team and has shown with RAC they will completely change the look of the car for it and BTCC is watched by a heck of a lot of people both live on tv and at the track

Jamesy-18 · 4 Mar 2010, 19:36 (Ref:2645043)

Quote:

Originally Posted by trebor901

i dont know why WSR dont have sponsorship because its a championship winning team and has shown with RAC they will completely change the look of the car for it and BTCC is watched by a heck of a lot of people both live on tv and at the track

Two words: Economic. Downturn.

trebor901 · 4 Mar 2010, 20:17 (Ref:2645078)

yeah i know that but sureley it would be better for a company to advertise than not to at the moment

**touringlegend** · 4 Mar 2010, 20:34 (Ref:2645090)

Well I bet that's the puzzling thing for teams and drivers. Autosport had a small article on this at the back of the magazine last week.

Crowd figures at circuits are very respectable, TV figures are good as well, and as you say, companies still need to advertise, even during a downturn. It did highlight several of the companies who have seen growth in the same period they were involved with the BTCC (I think RAC, Halfords, HiQ were in amongst there)

davyboy · 4 Mar 2010, 21:26 (Ref:2645122)

Quote:

Originally Posted by touringlegend

Well I bet that's the puzzling thing for teams and drivers. Autosport had a small article on this at the back of the magazine last week.

Crowd figures at circuits are very respectable, TV figures are good as well, and as you say, companies still need to advertise, even during a downturn. It did highlight several of the companies who have seen growth in the same period they were involved with the BTCC (I think RAC, Halfords, HiQ were in amongst there)

If you sit on the board of a private company... as I have for many a year... you'll realize that advertising and marketing is the first cost to go under the knife when things start to get tough. Companies shouldn't stop marketing in a downturn... but necessity invariably dictates that they do.

Pato · 4 Mar 2010, 21:39 (Ref:2645128)

Very dissapointed to see Jelley go, showed a lot of improvement, I think he would have eventually become a consistent front runner in BTCC. Hope he's back in 2011.

Jamesy-18 · 5 Mar 2010, 08:11 (Ref:2645317)

According to this week's AUTOSPORT, Herbert wants to combine Superstars with BTCC, so that doesn't rule him out completely. Does anyone know of any clashes between the two series?

redshoes · 5 Mar 2010, 08:35 (Ref:2645330)

The two clashes at the end of the season are mentioned in that same Autosport story.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
2009 Australian F3 - rumour mill/driver line up	williamsf1	National & International Single Seaters	83	20 Mar 2009 10:46
Rumour mill reaches 20,000rpm!	Logrence	Formula One	19	2 Jun 2005 16:34
2004 Rumour Mill Latest: Montoya To Replace Schumacher At Ferrari!!!!!!!!!	Knowlesy	Formula One	11	4 Jun 2003 01:37
CART.com's Own Rumour Mill	macdaddy	ChampCar World Series	40	13 Jan 2003 01:33
Trouble at Mill	Armco Bender	Formula One	3	24 Nov 2002 13:02