Driving Standards.

[midgetman]

Link sensors on the track limit to the ECU so the car goes into limp mode like on PlayStation games. If that doesn't work, link the sensors to electrodes on the driver like Top Gear recently

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[Gerard C]

Makes me think about A Clockwork Orange! Should we ask for Stanley Kubrick to become CoC? While we are here…

[S griffin]

Just leave something like treacle in the run off. That’ll slow them

[midgetman]

This from Gunther Steiner of Haas F1 on Twitter. I'll try and get rid of the expletives, if I miss one I apologise.

"Track limits? Do I really have to f-g repeat myself? We need walls and gravel in #F1! And if FIA is so over the moon with their f-g bollards, then at least make hitting them a bit more dramatic #TNT

#AustrianGP #BollardsAreBoll---s https://t.co/6wN32MdYhH "

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[S griffin]

So nice to see someone in F1 speaking his mind. Very rarely get that these days

[Peter Mallett]

You do know that that is a fake account?

[midgetman]

No. I did not. I'm not a great Twitter user and just found it.

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[Mike Bell]

Fake news on twitter? Shirley not?

And I though everything one reads on so-shal meedya was true.....

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by midgetman

No. I did not. I'm not a great Twitter user and just found it.

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The account is @bantersteiner

[Gerard C]

It was too good to be f-g true!

[MartinSmith]

Sorry... I missed all this banter since the last time I was here

1 Simon, sorry I didn't see any of what you refer to, I find F1 about as interesting as paint drying with the exception that, once paint has dried, at least it has a purpose, F1 serves none.

2 having said that my answer to Driving standards and exceeding track limits remains the same. if beyond the white line there was a wall... i am F ng sure (its been used here on this thread) that even you Simon would lift (although... knowing how quick you are... it wouldn't add that much to your time...... the only reason you "Need" to use the curbs... is because some plank put em there... and then said you could.... as I said before... throttle works both ways ... as Max says... the more tarmac you lay down... the more someone will see if they can get away with it.... its just cheating in my book.... sorry it is.

[delta]

On ferry to Croix en Ternois and I bought myself a Autosport . Reading about F1 race and it now looks like it’s going to be ok to bash another competitor of the track . WTF. Ah but only if the race is televised . Revival here we come .

[Simon Hadfield]

Iain gets it. Televised or not a concept has been established and passed by those far higher up the food chain than us. As I pointed out earlier we all race to the same rule book.
That rule book has this validated now.

[MartinSmith]

Originally Posted by Simon Hadfield

Iain gets it. Televised or not a concept has been established and passed by those far higher up the food chain than us. As I pointed out earlier we all race to the same rule book.
That rule book has this validated now.

But we DONT all race to the same rule book , thats the whole point of this thread... we should but we DONT.

Motorsport UK should but don't practice what they preach. As a clerk you are told to enforce track limits... enforce the Blue Book... and then along comes televised "exciting" motorsport... utter crap.. but it sells...

Hitler wrote a rule book Simon, just because he did... didn't make it right did it, don't justify bad driving standards because "those are the rules"

[Simon Hadfield]

Six pages in and we invoke Godwin's law. Gracious!
Whether the rules accord with your desires or not the fact is they exist and are used to run our sport. I do grant the FIA is more lenient on track limits - only one wheel has to remain on the tarmac - so during some meetings it's more than possible to compete in two consecutive races with differing track limits but then that should have been clearly advised in the driver's briefing.....
The point I was trying to make and one that clearly registered with Iain was that a new concept has been established. Again whatever anyone's personal views, this happened.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by Simon Hadfield

Iain gets it. Televised or not a concept has been established and passed by those far higher up the food chain than us. As I pointed out earlier we all race to the same rule book.

That rule book has this validated now.

I don't think that many of us are disputing that fact, that it is now allowed by those in charge. However, that doesn't mean that we have to approve of the laxity in the rules.

From my perspective, I learnt my race craft in the 1960s, and we had to keep to the track limits because there was no alternative - you would either hit a solid object such as a bank or even wooden sleepers or you would find yourself on really rough and bumpy grass with no grip - and there were rules about how you conducted yourself in overtaking manoeuvrers. This was repeated drummed into drivers at the briefings, and if you transgressed, you would be black flagged immediately.

And as far as overtaking was concerned, both drivers were expected to follow the guidelines. And it probably worked so well because, back then most of us drivers would also be responsible for any damage to our cars. We didn't have sponsors with deep pockets, and we certainly didn't arrive at a race meeting with a 40 foot artic stuffed to the roof with spare body panels and replacement engines, and so on.

The result was that there was usually some great racing but without the paint swapping. And the proof of that was that the number of spectators at an average clubbie would have been almost as large as seen at some of the most prestigious meetings held in the UK nowadays, such as a BTCC weekend.

[Simon Hadfield]

Mike, I take your points but you are conflating spectator numbers with driving standards when the number of specialised TV channels (and the vastly increased numbers of meetings) has a far higher correlation with declining spectator numbers. This is probably a different thread though.
I am not saying that competitors should drive to these new "standards" simply that they now exist.
And along with the great racing in the past there was some shocking stuff too.....
As someone that occasionally takes a 40 foot artic to events - not, it should be noted, stuffed to the roof with spare body panels - I don't see that as influencing driving standards.

[delta]

Spa last weekend .Im in a very very good MGB .Some Dutch tw-t in a Falcon powers by going up to Blaunchement. He brakes for corner I can take flat and go back past him . This is the 3 hour race . He drives up past again going up to the chicane but obviously furious cuts across puts me on the grass then gives me the finger . For the first time in nearly 50 years of racing I honestly thought about reporting him . Hey what’s the point .

[Simon Hadfield]

I or A Iain? 😂

[grantp]

Originally Posted by Simon Hadfield

I or A Iain? 😂

Both?

[grantp]

Originally Posted by delta

Spa last weekend .Im in a very very good MGB .Some Dutch tw-t in a Falcon powers by going up to Blaunchement. He brakes for corner I can take flat and go back past him . This is the 3 hour race . He drives up past again going up to the chicane but obviously furious cuts across puts me on the grass then gives me the finger . For the first time in nearly 50 years of racing I honestly thought about reporting him . Hey what’s the point .

Looks likely there was only one candidate for this tale?

If so you beat them in the race Iain and I notice that they received a couple of Exceeding Track limits penalties.

Plus in Qualifying their best time was deleted due to overtaking under yellows.

Interesting background information that might partly explain things?

[Gerard C]

In my opinion there's only a small batch of black sheeps, always the same. Punish them as should and everybody will be quiet. What is done in F1 is a different matter. I dont think we must have points on our licences in historic. In France atm, some organisers are really concerned and like to remind some thet those races are by invitation only.

[andy97]

I am not sure how CSCC deals with things now as it is about 3-4 years since I was on the committee, but in my time I do seem to remember that a couple of competitors were asked not to bother submitting entries in future.

As a series co-ordination, I also remember ringing one competitor up to “have a quiet word” about his driving standards at one race, and suggesting that if he didn’t calm down, then his membership might be reviewed.

[midgetman]

Here's a question for the Clerks on here.

Karting today my driver was chasing the field after an early off. Going down to a hairpin/loop type of thing someone several seconds up the road went off, careered across the infield and rejoined after the hairpin at walking pace having missed out the corner.

My driver went round the corner properly, came upon the miscreant and a yellow flag so braked sharply, back to walking pace, so the offender managed to pull away and block into the next corner.

1. Could he have legitimately have overtaken the "recovering" kart under yellow flag? Would he have been penalised for doing so?

2. Should it have been a white flag shown instead of yellow?

On a related point two of my drivers were called to the office because one was accused of overtaking the other under yellow. The "overtaken" driver, barely eight years old,, when presented with the evidence, calmly told the stewards the "the other driver is my team mate and he's faster than me so I pulled over and waved him by." By all accounts the drivers were ushered out so the clerks could stop laughing, at which point they were recalled - "no case to answer."



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[The Fat Clerk]

[QUOTE=midgetman;3916390]Here's a question for the Clerks on here.

Having been a Clerk (and Steward) for more years than I care to remember, my answers to both questions would be yes, and I'm sure many 'newer' Clerks would disagree.

As to sending the drivers out so that they could laugh - we've all done that.