2017 VASC Silly Season

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by anthony81901

It was written about when AMG and Erebus did not renew their initial 2 year deal. GRM's issues seem to revolve around both the ownership of the chassis, Volvo are claiming ownership and thus want them to go to Sweden, and also the ability to use the S60 bodyshape.

and yet Erebus still continued for another year and is still eligible this year.

C1.2
Eligible makes and models of Cars
Year Ford Holden Nissan Mercedes-Benz Volvo
2016 Falcon FG-X Commodore VF Altima L33 E63 AMG W212 S60


Like i said , because it was sanctioned by Volvo it remains sanctioned until a future date when it is no longer eligible becasue the technical rules have changed

[Umai Naa]

Those are the shapes that have been homolgated thus far. You still need the manufacturer's blessing to actually race it.

If my memory serves me correct, Erebus were able to gain approval to continue to use the Merc from MB for an additional 2 years. So up to the end of this season.

What I've yet to able to establish is whether gaining approval to run a make of car is team-centric. I.e does Triple Eight, BJR, HRT, etc need to apply to Holden to get the ok, same for PRA and DJRTP with Ford, etc?

Does this only apply to CotF chassis? Could go towards explaining why we've yet to see a non-Ford/Holden in DVS so far, besides obvious budget and parts supply issues.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by anthony81901

It was written about when AMG and Erebus did not renew their initial 2 year deal. GRM's issues seem to revolve around both the ownership of the chassis, Volvo are claiming ownership and thus want them to go to Sweden, and also the ability to use the S60 bodyshape.

Erebus didn't stop racing the E63s after the AMG deal finished.

GRM's deal is much more complicated, Erebus contracted HWA to build the motors for her, so she owned the IP. She only needed Benz's blessing to run the body shape and badge.

[anthony81901]

Originally Posted by peckstar

and yet Erebus still continued for another year and is still eligible this year.

But if Mercedes had said no, then Erebus would presumably be in the same situation as facing GRM.

Originally Posted by peckstar

C1.2
Eligible makes and models of Cars
Year Ford Holden Nissan Mercedes-Benz Volvo
2016 Falcon FG-X Commodore VF Altima L33 E63 AMG W212 S60

Presumably because all had confirmed with V8SC that they were happy for their product to be raced and/or had binding agreements. But from what Volvo has been stated, that won't be forthcoming in 2017.

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

If my memory serves me correct, Erebus were able to gain approval to continue to use the Merc from MB for an additional 2 years.

That was my recollection. Recall Merc Australia saying after the AMG negotiations broke down, in light of the amount Erebus had invested, it would allow its product to continue to be used until Gen 2, which was at that time expected in 2017.

[peckstar]

lots of going from memory here combined with lots of hearsay. Not many facts.

If my memory serves me correct, some stuff is being made up here

[dirtymacca]

How does this work with the MARC cars?

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by dirtymacca

How does this work with the MARC cars?

MARC cares are not working under V8Supercar rules.

[Compromised]

All this talk of GRM trying to still race Volvo's when the solution is staring them in the face. Manufacturers are practically banging down the door to enter Supercars, just pick one and move on

[chavez]

Originally Posted by Mixer

MARC cares are not working under V8Supercar rules.

And all it would take to let the Volvo (or indeed any other car a team wanted to enter) would be for V8 Supercars to change the rules to remove the requirement for manufacturer approval.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by chavez

And all it would take to let the Volvo (or indeed any other car a team wanted to enter) would be for V8 Supercars to change the rules to remove the requirement for manufacturer approval.

Yes but these cars were developed by and are arguably the property of, Volvo. So your suggestion is pretty much irrelevant.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Yes but these cars were developed by and are arguably the property of, Volvo. So your suggestion is pretty much irrelevant.

In regards to these specific cars "yes". It appears they will be returned to Volvo.


But the ownership of the assets and the ability to build a car for racing are completely separate issues.

[Umai Naa]

It wouldn't be all that hard to go back to Holden.

Economically, they'd probably suffer having to write off a lot of Volvo stuff. Performance-wise they should be ok. Known aero. Choice of three known engine suppliers. Can align the DVS campaign even closer to the maingame program.

It has a lot going for it, at this point. I think the Volvo thing is a dead-end now. If they were going to gain Sweden's blessings to carry on, it would have happened by now.

[anthony81901]

Originally Posted by peckstar

lots of going from memory here combined with lots of hearsay. Not many facts.

If my memory serves me correct, some stuff is being made up here

Facts are that Volvo have announced its intention to recall the chassis and engines come year end. Cyan recalls Volvo V8 Supercars to Sweden (Motorsport.com) There is some debate about the ownership of certain control components, but to date nothing has emerged to refute that Volvo can take the cars. Rogers still determined to run Volvos in 2017 (Speedcafe)

Just because a car is eligible to compete in compete in 2016, nothing has been put forward to suggest this carries through to 2017. And if its bodyshape were to race with the powerplant of another manufacturer, then surely any existing agreement would be off. V8SC aren't going to put other manufacturers out of joint just to satisfy the wants of one team.

It appears manufacturers do have the power to veto its product competing in the series. Mercedes adds star power to V8 Supercars (Sydney Morning Herald) stating "...Mercedes-Benz Australia, which reversed its earlier decision not to allow the scheme to go ahead..."

GRM through Volvo Australia have sought permission to keep racing the S60, but given the strong statements made in May, success would appear unlikely. GRM tells Volvo let us race (Motoring.com.au) Given that it is a powerplay between head office and the Australian branch, would think a reversal is unlikely. Politics kills Volvo V8 program (Motoring.com.au)

[peckstar]

No ones argued with any of those points. In fact they have all been made.

[mayhem]

New 'factory' proves Erebus here for the long haul

[GTRMagic]

Now that Holden has shared its decision, should we now expect that one or both current WP pilots will announce their 2017 plans soon?

[peckstar]

JC at Erebus next year. Lock it on! (ok total speculation based on personal opinion)

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by peckstar

JC at Erebus next year. Lock it on! (ok total speculation based on personal opinion)

Really, why would you?

[naca]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

Really, why would you?

Depends how much cash he wants. Don't think they'd be able to pay anything near his current wage unless he takes a number of sponsors with him.

[Umai Naa]

I think he'd end up overseas, before doing another year in a WR junker, regardless of its owner.

[peckstar]

AA saying betty wants a pair of aces for 2017, she has DR, and JC is looking for a seat GT No longer meets that criteria

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by peckstar

AA saying betty wants a pair of aces for 2017, GT No longer meets that criteria

Agree with this

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

I think he'd end up overseas, before doing another year in a WR junker, regardless of its owner.

This concept also, he has already said he was looking overseas, but change may be nice.

[Sandgroper]

Tander back to GRM......final home coming?

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

Tander back to GRM......final home coming?

Out of the frying pan, into the fire. What is GRM even going to run next year? Or the year after that?