WAU To Ford???

[Mixer]

Whoa, speedcafe reporting WAU to Mustang for Gen3

Are they feeling jilted by GMSV?

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[GTRMagic]

A Ford Performance press conference this Friday apparently to announce…. Something..

Might make sense of the interest in preparing the Grove team’s engines..

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

A Ford Performance press conference this Friday apparently to announce…. Something..

Might make sense of the interest in preparing the Grove team’s engines..

If that is true you would suggest Ford just got their wallet out. GMSV seems to have slighted WAU for 888 despite the existing relationship

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[GTRMagic]

Where to for Erebus then?
Want Mr Ryan in the press saying they wanted to remain a customer of WAU?

[Madbugger]

that’s big.

they were the 2nd last team that I thought would jump ship to Ford

Welcome home Chaz

[GTRMagic]

Story Here

[Sandgroper]

WOW - Understandable

But what a sad day for historical holden peeps

[Jack65]

Fox Sports need to proof read their stories:Currently 16 drivers pilot Mustangs compared to just nine in the Commodore

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

But what a sad day for historical holden peeps

The same story as Pontiac enthusiasts (or Mercury enthusiasts on the FoMoCo side) I suppose.

A darn shame that WAU weren't able to put a package together for an extra brand. The commercial and technical package of the ATCC must have big problems if it is so difficult to present a compelling case to auto brands.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

The same story as Pontiac enthusiasts (or Mercury enthusiasts on the FoMoCo side) I suppose.

A darn shame that WAU weren't able to put a package together for an extra brand. The commercial and technical package of the ATCC must have big problems if it is so difficult to present a compelling case to auto brands.

A lack of potential customers may have also been a drawback
888 is able to support its design, engineering and production facilities off the back of the customer chassis and ongoing parts and engineering support...

If the Erebus Benz experiment proved anything.. a lone wolf solution is not the path to success..

[Jack65]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

A darn shame that WAU weren't able to put a package together for an extra brand. The commercial and technical package of the ATCC must have big problems if it is so difficult to present a compelling case to auto brands.

Those manufacturers who still manufacture V8s won't for much longer, so the appeal to any new manufacturer isn't there.

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

If the Erebus Benz experiment proved anything.. a lone wolf solution is not the path to success..

Not helped by the Ford / Holden cartel doing their level best to make sure the new manufacturers weren't successful.

Although some appear to be in shock, ever since GMSV shunned WAU in favour of Triple Eight, the writing was on the wall. Much like it was inevitable that Triple Eight would become a Holden team after being ditched by Ford. Of the nine teams that have been around for more than a couple of seasons, only DJR and Tickford have not changed manufacturer in the last 15 years, so it's nothing new.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Jack65

Those manufacturers who still manufacture V8s won't for much longer, so the appeal to any new manufacturer isn't there.Not helped by the Ford / Holden cartel doing their level best to make sure the new manufacturers weren't successful.

That's why it is critical that Gen 3 embraces six cylinder turbos, or possibly four cylinder turbos with a hybrid system.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

That's why it is critical that Gen 3 embraces six cylinder turbos, or possibly four cylinder turbos with a hybrid system.

The GR Yaris has 3 cylinders... why not that...

[Sandgroper]

SO now its official.

Always was HRT to us old timers.

https://www.speedcafe.com/2022/05/06...ord-confirmed/

Still a sad day but understandable.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

Still a sad day but understandable.

Zak Brown throwing the shade:

Ford’s support of Supercars is unquestionable

Ouch!

[bathurst77]

Originally Posted by Jack65

ever since GMSV shunned WAU in favour of Triple Eight, the writing was on the wall.

I would say the writing was on the wall since Holden sacked H

[GTRMagic]

Mr Walkinshaw referenced something in his WAU manifesto about the Holden factory deal ‘…was taken away from us…’ yet gleefully ignores the winless streak at the time and the overall mid pack running…

What does ‘factory support’ mean in the brave new Gen3 world?

[Casper]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

That's why it is critical that Gen 3 embraces six cylinder turbos, or possibly four cylinder turbos with a hybrid system.

Or put another way why is it so critical to cling to a format that is clearly on its death bed world wide. Embrace the future and change the format or cling to the old one. The old one worked for a specific circumstance but that era is gone and it could be said that SC is now propping up a format that has a limited life span.
Each approach has its proponents but only one has a future in this fast changing world. Mercedes are pulling the V8 out of their halo premium car for a reason and it is not because they want to.

[Squalled]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

That's why it is critical that Gen 3 embraces six cylinder turbos, or possibly four cylinder turbos with a hybrid system.

I'd totally start watching the sport again if they had a variety of engine configurations. I mean, they've spent the last few years making the 5.4 Ford and 5.7 Chev engines honestly indentical in terms of power and torque and not to mention the power and torque curves so I have no doubts they could do they same for other engine configurations.

On topic, although it is sad to see the old HRT now WAU move from GM, they have lacked support for years so I don't blame them. I'll be supporting the team no matter what seeing as the cars have no relevance to me in my opinion and I follow drivers these days, albeit not that close as I find Supercars racing a bit lack luster at times.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by Squalled

I'd totally start watching the sport again if they had a variety of engine configurations. I mean, they've spent the last few years making the 5.4 Ford and 5.7 Chev engines honestly indentical in terms of power and torque and not to mention the power and torque curves so I have no doubts they could do they same for other engine configurations.

On topic, although it is sad to see the old HRT now WAU move from GM, they have lacked support for years so I don't blame them. I'll be supporting the team no matter what seeing as the cars have no relevance to me in my opinion and I follow drivers these days, albeit not that close as I find Supercars racing a bit lack luster at times.

And it took them how long to match the motors? Turbo and naturally aspirated motors have entirely different characteristics and I doubt anyone could get the same torque and power curve out of a turbo 4 against a NA V8.

[Squalled]

Originally Posted by Casper

And it took them how long to match the motors? Turbo and naturally aspirated motors have entirely different characteristics and I doubt anyone could get the same torque and power curve out of a turbo 4 against a NA V8.

And that's probably why they'd rather not go down that route, I mean I believe it is possible but the amount of money and time they'd need to invest it probably won't yield the return they're after anyway.

[GreenMachine]

Originally Posted by Casper

And it took them how long to match the motors? Turbo and naturally aspirated motors have entirely different characteristics and I doubt anyone could get the same torque and power curve out of a turbo 4 against a NA V8.

I don't think you need to mirror the curves between two engines. Surely you could match the area under the torque curve and use the rev limit to control top end hp.

The alternative approach is to use homologation and performance matching as GT3 does, quite successfully.

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by GreenMachine

The alternative approach is to use homologation and performance matching as GT3 does, quite successfully.

Let's just leave GT3 out of this discussion...they have their own issues as well, but not worth trying to compare apples with oranges in this discussion.

[GreenMachine]

All I am saying is that they have painted themselves into a corner with engines, and GT3 might have problems but theirs is a different methodology that is worth looking at in developing answers.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by GreenMachine

I don't think you need to mirror the curves between two engines. Surely you could match the area under the torque curve and use the rev limit to control top end hp.

No, not possible and absolutely impractical. You only have to look at the debacle Nissan/Mercedes turned into and they were V8's but had different engine architecture. After that little lesson what manufacturer would even try and consider using a different architecture motor. I repeat the question above, how long did it take to make the two current motors reasonably close?