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12 Mar 2019, 11:50 (Ref:3889865) | #176 | ||
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i watched some of the rounds online when i remembered, wasnt aware there was a mainstream TV "highlights" show. |
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That's my point though, more people watch the online content anyway. And the highlights programmes go up on Youtube after a few weeks, so people can just watch it there when it's convenient for them. TV is slowly starting to become obsolete - online streaming is the future, so many UK championships are choosing to promote their online content more actively as a result
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FE has the advantage of being on when there isn't much other motorsport on as well. Perhaps TCR should consider being a winter series on when the BTCC isn't? |
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That's the issue here. Sky, Motorsports TV (when it existed) etc etc aren't "proper" TV (for want of a better description). Whenever motorsport is on a terrestrial channel it dwarfs the viewership compared to online, satellite or cable. FE has the advantage of being on when there isn't much other motorsport on as well. Perhaps TCR should consider being a winter series on when the BTCC isn't? |
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12 Mar 2019, 12:25 (Ref:3889874) | #180 | ||
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TCR UK does not have these things, so should never have been expected to come in and challenge the BTCC in any way. I'm sure TCR are very happy with their viewing figures, especially considering it was the first season for a new championship |
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12 Mar 2019, 14:08 (Ref:3889891) | #182 | ||
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The point is that they obviously didnt promote their coverage very well, I remember at least 1 occasion the races were on a Saturday not the Sunday and I didnt know, I didnt see anything about this highlights show on Motors TV/Sky Sports you mention. if they have this online content they should promote it a bit better |
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12 Mar 2019, 14:08 (Ref:3889892) | #183 | ||
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You can try as hard as you like, but you can't really fault the theory behind the formula on the whole, it just needs more support in this country to get it off the ground |
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12 Mar 2019, 14:14 (Ref:3889893) | #184 | |
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another kicking for tcr uk;
pyro have announced they are doing the German championship and not uk https://www.touringcartimes.com/2019/03/12/pyro-motorsport-confirm-tcr-germany-entry/ Last edited by touring fan01; 12 Mar 2019 at 14:19. |
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12 Mar 2019, 14:31 (Ref:3889900) | #185 | |
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Well that is a shame. Will there be any teams left for this good idea?
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12 Mar 2019, 14:33 (Ref:3889901) | #186 | ||
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I think that (Pyro not running in UK) was widely known. I had assumed they were looking at the European series.
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The theory behind the formula is sound - and in countries where there was no dominant touring car formula in place (or a failing one in STCC) it's a great idea. The same widespread ruleset was in place in the golden Super Touring years and to a lesser extent S2000. The problem is there doesn't seem to be a gap in the UK market for it as a stand alone championship at the moment. If they could grow the grid running as a class in another championship then it might take off. |
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12 Mar 2019, 18:02 (Ref:3889942) | #188 | |
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There seems to be a lot of agreement that TCR UK costs too much relative to what you get back, but something that has been bugging me here. How does running a TCR-spec car in TCT seems to be a good idea, when running the same car in TCR isn't?
I'm guessing entries fees include an element to cover the costs of the TCR franchise / licencing / branding, but there must be more to it than that. TCT has less rounds but the per race cost can't be that much different. |
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12 Mar 2019, 18:25 (Ref:3889951) | #189 | |
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that’s why TCT have so few tcr cars also
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12 Mar 2019, 20:45 (Ref:3889981) | #190 | |
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Well sounds like TCT could have waited, but it’s not it’s fault TCR failed so bad
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12 Mar 2019, 22:38 (Ref:3890015) | #192 | ||
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I guess maybe I need to widen the question. There are people with TCR cars running them in Britcar or club saloons. If TCR UK is a lot of money for little exposure then how does running in a club event with even less exposure work? |
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12 Mar 2019, 23:37 (Ref:3890021) | #193 | ||
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There is around 15-20 TCR spec cars in the country. Few of them want to come out at race in the flagship championship.
Lines went on record at his dissatisfaction at the organisers last year hence he went out to found TCT. the boss has changed at TCR UK. the track time has reduced. The entry fee presumably hasn't changed. What was the reason for Motorbase to invest a huge sum into two Golfs only to quickly sell them? My suspicion is that TCR UK is horrific value for money and unless you're a well heeled racer it's a tough sell to backers in today's climate. It's still relatively unproven in our Motorsport staircase. Side note I suspect more TCR cars built in total now race in the enduros than sprints. Again value for money, seat time vs cost able to be split between the pilots. TCR in general is basically Hatchback GT4. |
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I'm only going off of recollections here, but I seem to remember the TCR UK entry fee being excessively higher than other TCR series due to an inclusive parts and spares fee or something like that. It makes sense that Pyro would go to TCR Germany if they wanted to get some decent running with the cars. A large and talented grid with cheaper overall costs and more clients. |
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13 Mar 2019, 06:14 (Ref:3890037) | #195 | |
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Mr Lotti had apparently footed the bill for the DSG prize, which the likes of Mr Lines bailed out of, and converted his car to SEQ after the first race meeting.
As for a parts and spares fee, that's an odd one. |
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13 Mar 2019, 07:49 (Ref:3890048) | #196 | ||
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TCT - low cost, little exposure (when compared to flagship series like BGT & BTCC) |
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13 Mar 2019, 08:07 (Ref:3890055) | #197 | |
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Yes, I understand that, but that doesn't answer the question. Why is it lower cost when you are running the exact same car? What specifically makes half an hour of track time in TCR UK more expensive that half an hour in TCT?
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13 Mar 2019, 08:16 (Ref:3890058) | #198 | ||
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Redshoes, I absolutely think your question (or rather the answer to it) could well be THE factor or at least a very significant factor.
I don't know the answer, I suspect the only folk that do are the "organisers" or indeed folk who have signed up or have pursued it to then back out. Essentially unless a team or racer pops up to answer the question I suspect we'll never really know. A bit like BTCC boost calculations! |
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13 Mar 2019, 08:23 (Ref:3890059) | #199 | |
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Don't know the exact reasons in this case but, for example, I know two club series that have exactly the same format and one is £100 an event more than the other. Exactly the same in every way. One is run by a national organisation and the other by a local club. The cars are irrelevant to that cost.
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13 Mar 2019, 09:06 (Ref:3890061) | #200 | ||
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