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27 May 2004, 13:33 (Ref:985093) | #1 | ||
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IMO Mark Webber seems to be a mediocre driver in F1 and not suitable for a seat at Williams. I always rated Justin Wilson as a better racer and was not given aenough time at Jaguar to prove his worth (Klien seems to be a HUGE mistake again by top brass at Jag!!)
I haven't been blown away by any of his races so far this season or seen anything that suggests he is a great talent ? I would like know the reasons as to why everyone thinks he is so Great???? |
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27 May 2004, 13:39 (Ref:985099) | #2 | ||
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Well, if rumours turn out to be true, Sir Frank seems to think he's got what it takes, and i'm sure that SFW knows more than we do
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I think its got something to do with that he's always kicked the arse of his team mate, Justin inlcuded. Why do you rate him as medicore though, his driven a Minardi and scored the teams best pace in many years and has done more with a Jaguar then anyone else ever has. Qualifying 2nd at Sepang didnt impress you
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Who knows - that Frank Williams has always been a goose. And Patrick Head would'nt know a good driver if one ran over him in Pit lane.
The other drivers always put the 'not long for this world' drivers on the driver council (MW is on it with that other wanna be Michael Shcumacher). I mean lets face it, he's been convincingly defeated by every team mate to date, and despite having the best car on the grid, has only managed 1 front row start this season. Send him back home. [/sarcasm] |
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Although I think it remains to be seen if Webber is as good as some people seem to think he is, you cannot argue with the fact that he is (and has always been) convincingly faster than his teammate. And when you are driving a box like the Jag that doesn't even finish most of the races, your teammate is the most consistent barometer of driver performance that there is. On that scale, Webber is an -kicker!
Anyway, to say Wilson is a better racer but just didn't get a chance is pretty ludicrous, me thinks... |
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27 May 2004, 13:53 (Ref:985116) | #6 | ||
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your teammate is the most consistent barometer of driver performance that there is. On that scale, Webber is an -kicker!
Anyway, to say Wilson is a better racer but just didn't get a chance is pretty ludicrous, me thinks... [/B][/QUOTE] This is something I don't understand ? Mark webber has had 2 years at Jaguar whereas his teammates.......Justin Wilson came from Minardi partway through the season from Minardi then had to adjust to a new team before being kicked off the team at the end of the season. Pizzonia was struggling but then was sacked halfway through the season! Surely people can see that this is unfair judgement ! I think if wilson was given the chance for a whole season we would see him outpace Webber....Klien seems destined to make Webber look even better this year! |
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27 May 2004, 14:00 (Ref:985124) | #7 | ||
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Again, I'm not a Webber fanatic.
But I do have eyes. And a brain. That can usually be relied upon to have the ability to understand facts. FACT: Webber beat Wilson comprehensibly whilst they were both at Jag. SPECULATION: Wilson would have proved to be better than Webber had he had a full year to race with Jag FACT: No F1 team currently employs Wilson SPECULATION: I think Wilson has potential (really). I think the rule about experience for Friday Test Drivers this year screwed him royally. But I see no FACTS that point to Wilson actually being better than Webber. Just as there are (as of yet) no facts saying a certain ex-WDC (or an ex 2X WDC!!!) will test an F1 car this year. And there is no proof that I am actually making this post from my Mars outpost. |
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I think you'll find that WHEN Webber gets a top drive he'll be RIGHT at the front. Michael rates him VERY highly, and that says it all. MW is the coming man and has a very good approach. Everyone in Jaguar loves him, and he's suprememly quick. I have no doubt he's one of the top 5 drivers on the grid.
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I also have eyes and a brain which can rely upon myself making judgement and having my own opinions!
Yes you are correct my views are pure speculation with regards to Wilson beating Webber if he had a full year in F1 at Jag. I'm not a Wilson fan and I don't dislike Webber but if you look back to prior to F1 (F3000) there is a slight fact that Justin is a better driver seeing as he won the title and webber came 2nd (with a huge points difference!) However F1 is a funny world and perhaps Wilson was never going to be taken seriously due to his height and that's why he is now in america. IMO Wilson is better than Webber but we will now never see it...... |
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Webber also gets on well with various journalists, which always helps get good publicity.
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belive what you want ! but I will have pies wait for you .
Bristol hmm UK right ? what a suprize |
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hmmm Australia... Mark Webber for WDC huge suprise get real mate if you don't want to discuss this in a mature manner then get off the post!
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blah blah blah
The fact that Mark is one of the most respect driver in pit lane by hs peers and by YOUR press is not enough let alone dragging a dead cat up the grid still not enough hmm lets see as a test driver he has beaten consistantly Fissi Button Trulli Wurz Alonso as a Team mate in F1 WILSON Young Pizza Davidson Kilen hmmm still not enough 1st driver to put a Jag on the 2nd row on the board on the Driver commity (VOTED BY DRIVERS) oh and is the sole key driver to next year sily season (but what would MB right) scored 2 pts in 1st year 18 in yr 2 thats 39 starts and 20 points not many can cliam that ratio ths is a outstanding list for a driver in his 3yr of F1 as I said belive what you want but your current thinking holds no water so build a bridge and get over it Last edited by Mark Webber; 27 May 2004 at 15:16. |
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Hmm yes consistently beaten the above in testing means jack ****! Testing is testing (variable fuel loads, different tyre compositions so who knows what his team mates were doing during those tests!)
I can honestly say that Mark Webber is a good driver but not as good as many people make out..lets hope he gets the williams seat next year with one of the drivers he's so called consistently beaten (hah!) Let's hope he's not paired with someone with little F1 experience and then kicked out of the team before they can prove they are better! |
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Imho Mark's situation is much comparable to someone like J. Pablo. Both come from countries which are under-represented in F1. The press does get excited when you have someone coming in from Australia or Colombia. I mean how many f1 champs have these countries produced in past 40 years? But that, Imho, doesnt take anything away from Juan Pablo's or Mark W.'s talents.
I, for one, cant wait to see Mark in a Williams BMW next season. Now that Sam Michael is incharge at Williams, I see it more closer to reality. As for Webber's teammates... I cant comment on it as we cannot say for sure if Jag is a one-man team. |
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The day will come when Webber is in a car(Williams)that is competitive with the front runners.He will also have a team mate that has his attitude to racing,you go flat out as soon as the light goes green.
Granted his team mates to date have all been rookies so comparing him to them is unfair to both parties. You need to go back to his sports car days and see if he could match it with the drivers going around in that series.He had a competitive car and proved he had the pace.He also proved he was nuts by getting back into a car he fliped the day before.MS once said you can tell a racer by looking into his eyes once the helmet was on.A racer has a steally glare that is focused and without fear. Webber has this and will one day given a competitive car would challange for WDC.Now MS has 6 WDC's(7 after this year)so I think we can take it for granted he knows what hes talking about.Sir Frank & Mr Head seem to think so as well as well as uncle Burnie and his manager Fulvio B. As I said at the start of this post Mr Webber will have his chance to convince the world that his is as good as others think but not till next year.Until then we should all reserve our judgements. Yes I am a Webber fan as well as a Jaguar fan.It pains me to see both where they are.Jag showed heaps of promise in Webbers first year there but unfortunatly for both it has disappeared after round 2 this season.One will suggest that the unrest within the team knowing that Mr Webber will not be with them next year is not playing well on the team but thats another tread. Lets wait till next year when he has a front running car to pass judgement. The Grumpy1 Last edited by grumpy1; 27 May 2004 at 21:11. |
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Did he miss races due a crash?(from hgmonaro)
No he didn't miss a race. He crashed out of the USGP due to a late call on changeing to wets.He was actually leading the race at the time. The other quailty Webber has is the abbility to set up a car and provide feedback that assists the team. The Grumpy1 |
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