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Old 4 Aug 2020, 01:46 (Ref:3992798)   #251
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Hope they delay the 18s, thought the teams said everything in the suspension had to be replaced for them?
Their introduction is tied to the new technical regulations. So current wheels next year and 18 inch in 2022.

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Is it really? I can think of no example of this. I suppose Italy made a problem for Williams for a bit after a Senna. Really is the exception.
Another one that involved Italy (and was also an exception) was with Lotus after the Rindt fatal in 1970 .... Lotus were entered at Monza in 1971/2 under the World Wide Racing moniker, due to legal wranglings between Chapman /Lotus with the Italian authorities, before entering as JPS in 1973.
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Another one that involved Italy (and was also an exception) was with Lotus after the Rindt fatal in 1970 .... Lotus were entered at Monza in 1971/2 under the World Wide Racing moniker, due to legal wranglings between Chapman /Lotus with the Italian authorities, before entering as JPS in 1973.
Italy made Clark's life a misery after the Monza 1961 crash Von Tripps moved over on him and caused his own death and that of a number of spectators.
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Old 4 Aug 2020, 08:37 (Ref:3992836)   #254
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No downforce at all (see avatar). So it is a bit of a corner. I caught it - take that Kvyat - but it was more by luck than judgement and there was a definite moment where I thought I was going to look like a right Charlie. It was first session of the day, cold and, in attempt to sound like an F1 driver, the tyres weren’t up to temperature

From a Pirelli perspective that puncture is one I’d be more worried about.

Next year there are new 18 inch wheels and tyres. So things will probably change again. What have they been asked to do?

Actually, is it next year, or the year after, now everything is frozen?
You own it and repair it and pay for it Adam. Huge incentive to keep it out of the fence!
Great save there on the circuit at that speed though!
Kvyat not so much! Although to be fair to him, he looked gutted.

Agree with you about the Pirelli concerns represented here, be really hard to drive the tyres to the limit after this type of interest.
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From a Pirelli perspective that puncture is one I’d be more worried about.
I agree that Kvyat's puncture is more worrying from an external viewpoint. I think there is a risk of multiplying the incident when it is considered alongside the other failures though.

In isolation, it was a single failure that was totally unrelated to the other failures late on. Therefore it should be viewed in isolation. A few early theories (including AlphaTauri themselves) are working on the fact that Kvyat was distracted slightly by making in-car adjustments, and clipped a kerb at an unusual angle. That caused a puncture, which led to the accident.

It should also be remembered that there is a difference between:
a) A tyre failure due to wear.
b) A tyre failure due to wear and damage.
c) A tyre puncture.
d) A tyre failure with no obvious cause.

The tyre failures late on seem to be a result of b).

Kvyat's is either c) or d). If c), it's unfortunately a sporting incident. If d) that is when concerns should be raised.
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Old 4 Aug 2020, 09:34 (Ref:3992849)   #257
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I see the start was absolutely perfect, everyone was stopped, nobody crept or anticipated it, did somebody read the boys the riot act in the driver's briefing?
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Old 4 Aug 2020, 10:15 (Ref:3992859)   #258
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Maybe they were all extra cautious this time, so forums like these wouldn’t jump on them
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I see the start was absolutely perfect, everyone was stopped, nobody crept or anticipated it, did somebody read the boys the riot act in the driver's briefing?
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I've yet to watch the second half of the race, having been in orange at Donington for the BTCC meeting at the weekend, but I have watched far enough to have seen Kvyat hit the wall.

Having seen others hit that wall (in other classes of racing, at a variety of speeds, and with a variety of outcomes which weren't all good) it is very striking that he simply swore a bit, got out, tidied up and walked away. It's not so long ago that would potentially have ended his career.

I know that a huge number of factors come into play with impacts like that, but I couldn't help thinking as he side-swiped the cameraman out of the way walking back along the wall that he was a very, very lucky boy.
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I've yet to watch the second half of the race, having been in orange at Donington for the BTCC meeting at the weekend, but I have watched far enough to have seen Kvyat hit the wall.

Having seen others hit that wall (in other classes of racing, at a variety of speeds, and with a variety of outcomes which weren't all good) it is very striking that he simply swore a bit, got out, tidied up and walked away. It's not so long ago that would potentially have ended his career.

I know that a huge number of factors come into play with impacts like that, but I couldn't help thinking as he side-swiped the cameraman out of the way walking back along the wall that he was a very, very lucky boy.
Thought that too, if it had been 1970, the accident would have looked like that of poor Siffert.
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As they said on the commentary, that’s not usually a place to go off. Can’t remember the last one to go off there like that
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From experience if you do get it wrong there you usually finish up on the other side of the track. IMO the kerbs there are pretty benign and the previous kerb was the left-hander before Maggots so the only kerb that could have caused the damage before then had to be Copse.
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During the race David Coulthard thought the tyre had come off the rim and that's what it looks like in that series of pictures.
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It’s funny, but I don’t seem to remember them showing the crash from that onboard camera during the coverage?
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I don't recall seeing it previously.
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It’s funny, but I don’t seem to remember them showing the crash from that onboard camera during the coverage?
The Kvyat crash? I don't think the did. They showed the forward onboard view a few times. I did my own slow-motion and tried to watch for anything Kvyat might have done to triggered it and couldn't see any. Whoever was commenting at that time was speculating it was a rear tire deflation. It was a very abrupt spin.

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Thought they didn’t show it from the rear facing camera, especially as I was hoping they would show it to confirm it was a puncture.
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Pirelli have reported on their investigation into the punctures at the end of the British GP more or less saying that the tyres were worn out because of the long stint length, the cars being faster and Silverstone is hard on tyres. No mention of punctures due to debris.


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The next GP is going to feature softer tyres that should mean at least 2 pit stops.
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Pirelli have reported on their investigation into the punctures at the end of the British GP more or less saying that the tyres were worn out because of the long stint length, the cars being faster and Silverstone is hard on tyres. No mention of punctures due to debris.


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The next GP is going to feature softer tyres that should mean at least 2 pit stops.
Nothing though on what caused Kvyat's right rear tyre to fail.
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Nothing though on what caused Kvyat's right rear tyre to fail.
The article says it was a puncture.

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The article says it was a puncture.

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But what caused the puncture and it was very sudden?
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The article says it was a puncture.

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Pirelli claims it is a puncture every time, their last lot of carcass failures they claimed were punctures until they just could not make it fit anymore.

Air out of tyre equals puncture in the Pirelli handbook.

Besides Pirelli determined the stint lengths for the rest of the tyres, ergo the failures are at their door.
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Yup, because Lewis was so much faster on the preferred race tires than Valteri was today. Or did you not watch any part of practice and the first 2 rounds of quali?
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