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Old 26 Feb 2004, 07:34 (Ref:885886)   #1
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Jordan: Schumy Should Retire
Well, an enticement that Michael Schumacher should quit F1 if doesn’t win his seventh title this year, was came from Eddie Jordan.

Jordan, who gave Schumacher his first F1 drive, believes he will be beaten by Montoya.

http://www.itv-f1.com/news/news_story/19872
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Old 26 Feb 2004, 07:38 (Ref:885890)   #2
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Re: Jordan: Schumy Should Retire
Errr, he also boldy suggested that Ron Dennis could also retire at the end of the season.
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Old 26 Feb 2004, 09:17 (Ref:885970)   #3
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I don't know why he would surgest Ronnie retiring, he's a good boss. Still, I would like to see jordan's prediction of JPM kicking schumi coming into fruition, it's time for a new champ.
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Old 26 Feb 2004, 09:18 (Ref:885972)   #4
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i think eddie would prefer everyone to retire, then he will have a chance.
I'd love to see TGF retire, but i dont see why he should when he can still race well.
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Old 26 Feb 2004, 09:40 (Ref:886002)   #5
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He shouldn't retire, he should go back to Jordan for a season.
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Old 26 Feb 2004, 10:03 (Ref:886023)   #6
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He shouldn't retire, he should go back to Jordan for a season.
isn't that like retiring?
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Old 26 Feb 2004, 10:34 (Ref:886053)   #7
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Well sort of. Eddie could pull off the coup of the universe and have MS drive for him for a couple of years, for free!!!
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Old 26 Feb 2004, 12:06 (Ref:886150)   #8
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Isn't Eddie full of helpful advice?
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Old 26 Feb 2004, 16:29 (Ref:886424)   #9
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From a performance basis, if MS is to retire, he'd have to queue up behind 19 drivers who ought to go before him.

I'd like to see a field of the best drivers available, not having a group of wannabes with top drivers "adviced" to quit just because they are too good and win too much.
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If Michael were to retire, and not run in 2004, wouldn't that just cheapen the WDC and the driver who wins it?

I mean you want to go out and beat the best, don't you? If say Kimi took it, wouldn't we forever say "well, Kimi's good, but who did he beat?" Or "yeah, Kimi's good, but he didn't beat Michael". Get my drift?
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Old 26 Feb 2004, 18:43 (Ref:886539)   #11
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What's the big deal? Eddie is saying more or less the same as anyone else who cares to offer an opinion - if Michael doesn't win his 7th title this year he should retire at the end of 2004. He's not suggesting he should go now. And he also says whoever beats Michael will win the WDC, which means he believes Michael will be no worse than 2nd best.

Is it really such a slow story day only a week before kick-off?!
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Old 26 Feb 2004, 19:00 (Ref:886558)   #13
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Montoya will beat Michael this year. Then he [MS] can go.
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Old 26 Feb 2004, 19:10 (Ref:886573)   #14
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He's more likely to retire if he does win the title than if he doesn't.
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Old 26 Feb 2004, 19:39 (Ref:886606)   #15
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Theres no way that Ron Dennis will retire, he wants to enjoy the benefit of Paragon for a couple of years before he goes anywhere.

EJ's entitled to his opinion, of course, as is everyone else. Wether he should or not is irrelevant, imo, he will retire, 7th WDC or not
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I agree with kicking-bgack on this one....if he loses the title he's very likely going to come back and reclaim it. We know how motivated he still is after four in a row....imagine it if he has to reclaim the crown.

Although I think he should retire pretty soon.
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I'd like to see a field of the best drivers available, not having a group of wannabes with top drivers "adviced" to quit just because they are too good and win too much.
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If Michael were to retire, and not run in 2004, wouldn't that just cheapen the WDC and the driver who wins it?

I mean you want to go out and beat the best, don't you? If say Kimi took it, wouldn't we forever say "well, Kimi's good, but who did he beat?" Or "yeah, Kimi's good, but he didn't beat Michael". Get my drift?
I don't think it would cheapen the world title - afterall, someone has to fill the void when 'the top' guy of any period goes. It's very rare for the top drivers to cross over for very long; I'm thinking Moss-Clark, Clark-Stewart, Stewart-Lauda and, of course Senna-Schumacher. Whilst we've missed some great battles, over time, the lack of them doesn't take anything away from the second-named driver in each of those pairs.

I admire Schuey greatly and, for his sake, hope that he doesn't go on too long. I was kind of hoping, from that point of view (as opposed to my agreeing with GTR above), he would retire last year. Only, he couldn't let that eighth place at Suzuka stand as his last GP.

I agree that he is more likely to retire if he wins this year, unless he gets beaten by Rubens, because he said he'd quit if that happened.
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Old 27 Feb 2004, 02:44 (Ref:886932)   #18
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Well, if the new comers really want to ink their footings in F1, the best chance had already passed last year. Sure,it'd be impressive if someone young won this year, but unless they beat a "MS in a better car", it really won't mean much more than winning without MS around.
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Montoya will beat Michael this year. Then he [MS] can go.
Did'nt you say that last year (and the year before)?

As for EJ, those with results like his should probably hide in the shadows.

In 99, MS was in a hospital bed, while one of EJ's was making a run at the WDC. Michael (and his team) have won every championship since. What has Jordan done apart from slip from this wonderful position right down into Minardi hunting ground?

Eddie, Shhhh, its getting embarrassing now.
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Well, it's for people who want to end their careers either way.
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I don't think it would cheapen the world title - afterall, someone has to fill the void when 'the top' guy of any period goes. It's very rare for the top drivers to cross over for very long; I'm thinking Moss-Clark, Clark-Stewart, Stewart-Lauda and, of course Senna-Schumacher. Whilst we've missed some great battles, over time, the lack of them doesn't take anything away from the second-named driver in each of those pairs.
Believe me, I'm not having a go...but I dont recall Moss ever being the top dog (even by his own admission) and what happened to Brabham, Piquet and Prost? I'm sure they had a few successes in between that lot.
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I don't think it would cheapen the world title - afterall, someone has to fill the void when 'the top' guy of any period goes.
I agree with you krt917, that somebody always has to fill the void, and maybe cheapen is the wrong word, but I have believe that if Michael were to say I'm retiring right now, and Kimi or JPM won the title, there would forever be questions, asking if these guys are really the best, because they never beat Schummy.
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hahah..

EVEN IF (a BIG if) Kimi or JPM win the title this year, there will still be questions if they are the best. Admit it, one championship win over MS means almost little.

Look, JV/Mika/DH all won championships in Michael's era, but there's no doubt MS is better than them all. The same thing would happen even if Kimi/JPM did win this year.

It's a championship that's for Ferrari (or in particular BS) to lose.
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Believe me, I'm not having a go...but I dont recall Moss ever being the top dog (even by his own admission) and what happened to Brabham, Piquet and Prost? I'm sure they had a few successes in between that lot.
If you read contemporary accounts and comments by drivers of the time, then you'll see that Moss was considered the benchmark of his era, once Fangio had retired. Even Brabham said so!

I take your point about Piquet and Prost. I left them out because they did get to race each other, and Mansell, and Senna, so I didn't consider them as examples who had 'missed' a great fight - they were all in it! (Of course, you could say they missed Villeneuve....). I as trying to pick out drivers who were, almost without debate, considered the best of their particular era. Some eras are more difficult to pin down in this way than others!

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I agree with you krt917, that somebody always has to fill the void, and maybe cheapen is the wrong word, but I have believe that if Michael were to say I'm retiring right now, and Kimi or JPM won the title, there would forever be questions, asking if these guys are really the best, because they never beat Schummy.
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hahah..

EVEN IF (a BIG if) Kimi or JPM win the title this year, there will still be questions if they are the best. Admit it, one championship win over MS means almost little.
Also agree, though - over time - the rest of their careers could show that they were, or nearly were as great as Schuey, in the same way that MS has proved himself despite Ayrton's absence.
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