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18 Apr 2005, 06:08 (Ref:1280891) | #1 | ||
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Paul Dumbrell charged with reckless driving
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Just heard on triple m radio in Victoria, that Paul Dumbrell has been charged with reckless driving, arising from the accident at Pukekoe (sp?) on the weekend. Something is telling me that this is perhaps a police charge, not a stewards driving. Its a gut feeling, as the stewards werent mentioned in the report, and begs the question. If police are involved in a death in motorsport, and we know with rallying, that if a rally car breachs laws whilst driving to services etc, can police be involved with driving incidents on a racetrack such as perhaps alledged reckless driving by Dumbrell ?? Lets Ponder... |
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18 Apr 2005, 06:09 (Ref:1280892) | #2 | |
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This is what they are talking about, this was posted in another thread.
Following an investigation by the IPO, car #24, Paul Dumbrell, was charged with a breach of the rules, reckless driving (B6.7.3), involving an incident with car #8, Craig Baird. Paul Dumbrell entered a plea of not guilty and requested a Steward's Hearing. The hearing was opened. Mr Dumbrell sought an adjournment to obtain a witness and collate evidence. The hearing has been adjourned to a date yet to be set, but not before 26 April 2005. The hearing will conclude prior to the next V8 Supercar Championship Series round in Western Australia. |
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18 Apr 2005, 06:24 (Ref:1280900) | #3 | |
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Look its all pi** and wind, Baird even apologised for christ sake it was a racing incident as a direct result of wincups off. If the steweards take this any further then they need a flogging for bending to the rants and raves of an irate owner.
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18 Apr 2005, 06:45 (Ref:1280906) | #4 | |
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Hmmm - Gore vs Perkins. Two men enter, one man leaves.
I'd like to see that! Kramer |
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18 Apr 2005, 06:47 (Ref:1280908) | #5 | ||
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Dumbrell faces reckless charge
April 18, 2005 V8 SUPERCAR driver Paul Dumbrell has been charged with reckless driving over a high-speed, three-car crash in the New Zealand round of the championship yesterday. Stewards have charged Dumbrell over the incident in which he, Craig Baird and Cameron McConville crashed at an estimated 225km/h. Baird's Holden was virtually torn in two by the impact of the accident midway through race three of the round, won by Holden driver Greg Murphy. Dumbrell has pleaded not guilty and will face a stewards' hearing at a date to be fixed. |
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18 Apr 2005, 07:16 (Ref:1280931) | #7 | ||
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unusual that a news report would omit the words "stewards hearing" from a v8 report as such.
i do remember a release from gore saying he would seek legal redress. i think gore has more money than perkins |
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18 Apr 2005, 08:18 (Ref:1280958) | #8 | |
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I didn't think there was anything in it, very surprised with the charge. I've seen worse.
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18 Apr 2005, 08:33 (Ref:1280967) | #9 | |
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The way I saw it, Baird drove into Dumbrell and put him into the wall. Not anyones fault... just plain old racing incident I would have thought. Dumbrell has caused his fair share of incidents, but I don't think they should be pointing the finger at him for this one. |
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18 Apr 2005, 08:40 (Ref:1280970) | #10 | |
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That is Bulls..t. Baird would have instinctively moved to the right a bit and lifted his foot when the other car came back on to the track from the left. Any driver would have. The slightly earlier shot showed Dumbrell clearly behind by a car length or 2 and if the above is true where else is he meant to have gone considering the conditions.
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18 Apr 2005, 08:41 (Ref:1280972) | #11 | ||
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Well...in someone's incar shot (not sure who it was) you clearly saw Baird's brake lights come on when Whincup rejoined the circuit...Now..to me, it would seem Dumbrell's gone "oh fiddlesticks" and swerved to the right as Baird was slowing...Bairds also gone to the right as a reaction to whincup coming back on the track, his attention is on what Whincup is doing, not what Dumbrell is doing coming up the inside...He's continued to go right, Dumbrell is there, in the wall bang bang etc etc...In my opinion I would say clear cut racing incident...I'm not sure why either driver would have the entire blame placed on them.
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The people making this decision to charge Dumbrell over this incident need removing from their position. They are incompetant at the very least.
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18 Apr 2005, 09:34 (Ref:1281012) | #14 | ||
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Racing incident, nothing more. End of story.
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Its hard when a driver gets a reputation.. every incident involving them suddenly becomes their fault, guilty or not...
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18 Apr 2005, 09:57 (Ref:1281037) | #16 | |
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Those who have read the ravings of the deekmeister will KNOW that he is NOT a fan of Competitor Punt Racing, Larry Perkings, BPR Richards (who, incidentally was at it again on the weekend - will he ever learn how to pass?) or the notorious Mr Dumb-Bell...
However, on this occaision, he is CLEARLY NOT AT FAULT, in any way known... Car exits circuit, car looks to swerve back on circuit, car in front swerves in anticipation of aforementioned swerve, car behind (Dumbell) thinks "shyte, what is he doing, moves right then righter...crunch...wrong place wrong time but FOR ONCE he is not at fault. There...don't call me biased anymore! Now for BPB on Ambrose...grrrrr |
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There is no way WPS should be allowed to either take this to court or rant & rave to have Dumbrell charged.....next he will charge the track owners for damages...LOL |
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I'd like to see all the angles and telemetry before coming to any conclusions on fault, but at the moment the only thing the officials have decided is that Dumbrell has a case to answer, they HAVEN'T found anyone guilty, so I'm not sure why anyone should be sacked?
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They must think he is in the wrong to have "charged" him.
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Sorry Mayhem but according to this quote 'Following an investigation by the IPO, car #24, Paul Dumbrell, was charged with a breach of the rules, reckless driving (B6.7.3), involving an incident with car #8, Craig Baird. Paul Dumbrell entered a plea of not guilty and requested a Steward's Hearing. The hearing was opened. Mr Dumbrell sought an adjournment to obtain a witness and collate evidence. The hearing has been adjourned to a date yet to be set, but not before 26 April 2005. The hearing will conclude prior to the next V8 Supercar Championship Series round in Western Australia.' it appears to me the the IPO has charged Paul Dumbrell with Reckless driving so that is more than a case to answer. The way the IPO is set up is that he reviews all incidents and if he charges a driver the driver then has the option of accepting the charge or requesting a Steward's Hearing. If the IPO is going to charge P Dumbrell with this why was T Kelly not changed with driving into the back of P Morris . No, I think that was a racing incident as well but if you blame P Dumbrell for one accident then you must say that T Kelly had a lot more time to react to the cars in front slowing and the safety car board had already been displayed in T Kelly's case and he admitted on TV that he knew it was out Just read on another forum that T Kelly was charged with reckless driving and charged $5000 plus a equivalent to a 10 second stop/time/go (45 seconds total) Last edited by v8man; 18 Apr 2005 at 11:00. |
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Racing Incident i feel, the bumpy front straight didnt help bairds cause either, the car got out of shape due to the bumps. Dumbrell wrong place wrong time.
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It looked to me like Bairdo got on the brakes when Whincup went off, Dumbrell then moved to the inside to avoid hitting Baird up the backside, then when Whincup rejoined the track Baird moved over and accidentally squeezed PD into the wall turning them both around. It was a racing incident nothing more, all be it an expensive one.
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