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Old 3 Jun 2005, 13:10 (Ref:1319022)   #51
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Dani Filth should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridDani Filth should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridDani Filth should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
no Mansell came from a few seconds behind in the last lap .. he only needed a couple of meters more ..

do we count disqualifications ??
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Old 3 Jun 2005, 13:12 (Ref:1319023)   #52
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No the change has to happen on the last lap not not a few weeks later!
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Old 3 Jun 2005, 13:29 (Ref:1319033)   #53
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there must have been more in the 80s .. but that's my weak period . and with those turbos running out of fuel a lot . must have happend in the last lap a couple of times.

PS . i already said US 2002 .. it;s not on the list
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Old 3 Jun 2005, 14:30 (Ref:1319103)   #54
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no Mansell came from a few seconds behind in the last lap .. he only needed a couple of meters more ..

do we count disqualifications ??
Well I was told the the start / finish line was moved down by a few meters before pratcice or somthing along those lines acourding to Mansell, so he could well have won.
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Old 3 Jun 2005, 14:31 (Ref:1319105)   #55
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Hockenheim 1986 or '87 when Prost ran out of fuel on the last lap?
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Hockenheim '86, but Prost wasn't leading, I think Piquet had already ran away with it.
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Old 3 Jun 2005, 15:05 (Ref:1319138)   #57
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Not sure, but is Monaco 1982 one, with Patrese taking the win? I think that may be the penultimate lap though.....sorry if that has been mentioned.
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Old 3 Jun 2005, 15:08 (Ref:1319144)   #58
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Not sure, but is Monaco 1982 one, with Patrese taking the win? I think that may be the penultimate lap though.....sorry if that has been mentioned.
That had to be one of the most exciting races ever.
Funny how one of the tightest and trickest places to pass and win is usually the or one of the most exciting races of the year.

In the race in '82 must have been around 6 lead changes in those last few laps, they were tropping out like flys.
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Old 3 Jun 2005, 15:13 (Ref:1319152)   #59
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1953 French GP (Reims?)? That was a close race I know, dunno who led starting and finishing the last lap though!
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Old 3 Jun 2005, 15:30 (Ref:1319171)   #60
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whoops wrong driver mentioned in Mon '82

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Whoops, thanks

2005 European GP. Kimi's puncture leads to Alonso's win.
2003 Bazilian GP. Fisi overtakes Kimi on what becomes the last lap.
2002 US GP. Michael and his 'photo finish' gives it to Rubens.
2002 Austrian GP. Michael lets Rubens win.
2001 Spanish GP. Mika's engine blows.
1997 Hungarian GP. Damon has a mechanical problem. Villeneuve wins.
1997 European GP. Villeneuve lets Mika past.
1991 Canadian GP. Mansell stalls on the last lap waving to the crowd. Piquet wins.
1991 Japanese GP. Senna gives the win to Berger.
1982 Monaco. Patrese got it on the last lap, due Pironi and de Cesaris messing up!
1971 Italian GP. Gethin wins the slipstreamer. #
1970 British GP. Brabham (again) loses to Rindt. JB ran out of fuel on the run to the line.
1970 Monaco. Brabham gives the GP to Rindt after going straight on at the last corner.
1969 Italian. Steward from Beltoise.
1967 Italian GP. Surtees wins after Clark runs out of fuel.
1964 Mexico. Clark.
1964 Belgium GP. Clark wins after Brabham runs out of fuel
1961 French GP. Baghetti->Gurney 1961 Reims

18 total.

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1986 German. Prosty ran out of fuel before the final light.
1982 Monaco. Yes. Patrese got it on the last lap, due Pironi and de Cesaris messing up!
1981 Monaco. No, it has been removed. Villeneuve led the last four laps.
1953 France. Hawthorn led the last four laps.

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Old 3 Jun 2005, 17:06 (Ref:1319268)   #61
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Here is another early one: French GP 1954. The first WC GP for the Mercedes-Benz team. Kling and Fangio finish 0.1s apart, but a lap ahead of eveyone else. They kept swapping over the last few laps. Kling lead the penultimate lap, Fangio the ultimate.
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Old 3 Jun 2005, 17:09 (Ref:1319273)   #62
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I'm thinking San Marino 1982 with the Villeneuve/Pironi swapping?
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Old 3 Jun 2005, 17:10 (Ref:1319274)   #63
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yes . i forgot about that one .
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Just looking into a couple of them. In 1964. Jim Clark benefitted from Hill on the last lap not Brabham, sorry.
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Old 3 Jun 2005, 17:23 (Ref:1319288)   #65
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Stewart->Beltoise 1969 Monza
? My sourse say Stewart led all the last 31 laps. If you have any other info let me know.
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I'm thinking San Marino 1982 with the Villeneuve/Pironi swapping?
Yes they swapped on the last lap.

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20 then. Please disagree if you see something:
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1954	French	Fangio	Kling
1959	US	McLaren	Brabham
1961	French	Baghetti	Gurney
1964	Mexico	Gurney	Clark
1964	Belgium	Clark	G. Hill
1967	Italy	Surtees	Clark
1970	Britain	Rindt	Brabham
1970	Britain	Rindt	Brabham
1971	Italy	Gethin	Peterson
1982	Monaco	Patrese	Pironi/de Cesaris
1982	San Marino	Pironi	Villeneuve
1991	Canada	Piquet	Mansell
1991	Japan	Berger	Senna
1997	Hungary	J. Villeneuve	D. Hill
1997	Europe	Hakkinen	J. Villeneuve
2001	Spain	Schumacher	Hakkinen
2002	US	Barrichello	Schumacher
2002	Austria	Schumacher	Barrichello
2003	Brazil	Fisichella	Raikkonen
2005	Europe	Alonso	Raikkonen
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Old 3 Jun 2005, 17:39 (Ref:1319305)   #67
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? My sourse say Stewart led all the last 31 laps. If you have any other info let me know.

Yes they swapped on the last lap.

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i remember seeing a video in which Ken Tyrell said something about prize money being given for leading quater/half/finish .. and there was also some footage from that race .. and showed them right at the finish ..
i didn't remember the year exactly . but i knew it was Monza and Tyrell/Stewart ..
here's another clip: http://www.monzasport.it/Video/1969_...Highlights.mpg

ups . i'm not so sure if it qualifies for the thread now
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That is a good question - in that race the lead changed during the last lap, but the leader at the line was the same
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20 then. Please disagree if you see something:
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1970	Britain	Rindt	Brabham
1970	Britain	Rindt	Brabham
4 to go...
Surely only 19 as 1970, Britain, Rindt and Brabham are quoted twice?
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And shouldn't that be Monaco 1970?
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Thanks.

One 1970 Brabham losing to Rindt is Monaco the other is Britain. It happened twice!

As for the 1969 Monza example. Tricky, for the purposes of this thread I think no!!!!!!! Although a mightly impressive lap! Personally I love the fact that such a great lap doesn't qualify! That makes it the best suggestion so far.
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Hmmmmm.

I think there is 25!
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Adam, you've forgotten another one:

1974 Argentinean GP. Reutemann was leading the race with the broken airbox and his car ran out of fuel 200 m before the finish line. Then Dennis Hulme surpassed him and won the race. A very disappointing race for Argentinians was this day
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Reutemann did run out of fuel, but he lost the lead on the penultimate lap, not the final lap. He did complete 52 laps though. Of the 53 laps Hulme lead laps 52 and 53.
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I have lap charts for every world championship race, but I feel that would be cheating ever so slightly......

If we haven't finished by friday though, I might chip in a bit here.
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