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18 Jan 2007, 01:16 (Ref:1818074) | #1 | ||
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'red wall tyres' idea....
I recently read an article about the new seasons' control tyres - with speculated 2 variants, a hard compound and 'red wall' tyres indicating the soft compound (as is currently used by bridgestone in the IRL i am led to believe?). Now i'm not sure if i understood the article correctly, but it got me thinking:
suppose all drivers were issued with 3 sets of tyres for any given race, with all being hard compound apart from 1 special set being soft compound 'redwall' tyres. The thinking being, that a driver could use his set of 'red walls' to his advantage as he and his team saw fit, at the stage of the race that they saw fit. Overtaking would be easier due to some of his competitors being on the harder compound as per their strategy. This could result in many varying strategies for the drivers and teams to play with, and could result in a greater grip differential between car and drivers, therefore resulting in greater passing opportunities throughout the race... obviously a setup for a hard compound is slightly different as compared to a soft compound, but i'm sure the idea could be engineered to work. this isnt a very thoroughly thought out idea, but more a speculation. Would be keen to hear what others think? Last edited by rocketracer; 18 Jan 2007 at 01:19. |
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I think its a good idea that would benefit the racing, but logical ideas and F1 never go together...
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Rule 77d of the current sporting regulations states that unless a driver has used 'wet' tyres in a race,he must use at least one set of each specification of dry tyre.
http://www.fia.com/resources/documen...EGULATIONS.pdf So in effect there is no option tyre,but drivers must use each spec of tyre during a race. Last edited by Marbot; 18 Jan 2007 at 02:34. |
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I thought Bridgestone were looking at implementing the "Red Wall" scheme in 2008, when they are officially recognised as the control tyre of Formula One...?
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Thanks Martyn, you have answered my question right there. I was wondering whether i had interpreted the article correctly.
So, for the upcoming season, we should see greater passing opportunities as relates to the tyres and the differential in grip levels.... I had not heard much talk of this previously, which is surprising, as you would think that this will be the tyre equvalent of a 'push to pass' whereby, a driver will look to be more aggressive in his 'soft compound' stint of the race.... |
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Seems a bit of a strange, typically complex idea. But I guess it would be a good move.
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You will have,in effect,a sort of manufactured tyre war,but it is now more important for the teams to get it right,rather than the tyre companies.I suppose that the FIA have given something back to the teams and drivers.
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18 Jan 2007, 09:12 (Ref:1818224) | #10 | ||
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Won't everybody use their soft tyres for qualifying and the first stint?
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Does anyone know if the tyres will actually have red walls? It'll be really hard to keep up otherwise... |
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18 Jan 2007, 11:14 (Ref:1818341) | #12 | ||
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i think Redwall tyres would be good so than the spectators can see which type of tyre they are running, as F1 has adopted a similar stradigy to ChampCar but without the coloured wall, so i thinl F1 should adopt the coloured walls.
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Oh no, here we go again. Didn't we just have this discussion? Option tyres, push-to-pass, just too gimickie for me. If I want to see push-to-pass graphics and red-walled tyres, I'd watch Champcar. Anyway, carry-on.
By the way, great posts Martyn, thanks for that. Last edited by Last2LiftOff; 18 Jan 2007 at 12:29. |
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I hope that there is enough difference between "hard" and "soft" to make the races really interesting.It will be difficult for the teams to get the right balance on both specs of tyres during a race.The car/driver that uses the tyres best will be key to the championship IMO. Last edited by Marbot; 18 Jan 2007 at 12:49. |
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Yeah but, how often does a change in the number of pitstops-strategy differ from team to team in a weekend? And if they all have the same add-on options, excepting only the occasional luckies, it'll even out within a season. I know we need more passing, I just don't see this stuff as having a place in the 'pinnacle of the sport' as it were. Reckon I'm the only one.
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No argument there Martyn, but then we're back to where we were last year with Michelin et Bridgestone, sure not to the same degree, but hope you see my point.
Of course they'll do whatever they thinks best (right?). Please, just don't put the dang redwalls on the tyres or go on about how many seconds of push to pass everybody's got left. I'd rather hear "push Giancarlo push" not "push to pass Giancarlo push to pass" Anyway, I've said my bit. |
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Right, but then aside from the odd luckies, the teams'll get that dialed-in and by the end of the year maybe sooner, it's a wash. Now I've said too much Martyn I gotta get to work
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And right on cue,this article appears!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/56370 Autosport say it's article 77c that states the rule.......amateurs! Last edited by Marbot; 18 Jan 2007 at 16:06. |
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18 Jan 2007, 16:45 (Ref:1818579) | #24 | ||
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The tyre situation was getting ridiculous last year though. Do you not remember Canada? The amount of "marbles" offline was a joke, and an accident waiting to happen, which didn't take long as JV found out when he ploughed into the wall at quite a speed.
The tyres were just getting too soft and the one good thing about harder tyres is that the amount of rubbish on the track (offline) will be hopefully much less. |
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seems like a rather complicated way to artificially mix up a race, but it may lead to some interesting races. also the fact that it wont be obvious adds antother level of stratgey which imo is a welcomed addition.
and as Adam said, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out what each driver is using for each stint, and the tire changes from hard to soft or vice versa will probably require some adjustemts to the front wings and maybe even some short fuel stints. i think my only real problem with it is that now we will have to listen to more wild speculation from the talking heads which will no doubt only add more confusion of our understanding to what is happening on track. |
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