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Old 18 Jan 2007, 01:16 (Ref:1818074)   #1
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'red wall tyres' idea....

I recently read an article about the new seasons' control tyres - with speculated 2 variants, a hard compound and 'red wall' tyres indicating the soft compound (as is currently used by bridgestone in the IRL i am led to believe?). Now i'm not sure if i understood the article correctly, but it got me thinking:

suppose all drivers were issued with 3 sets of tyres for any given race, with all being hard compound apart from 1 special set being soft compound 'redwall' tyres.

The thinking being, that a driver could use his set of 'red walls' to his advantage as he and his team saw fit, at the stage of the race that they saw fit.

Overtaking would be easier due to some of his competitors being on the harder compound as per their strategy. This could result in many varying strategies for the drivers and teams to play with, and could result in a greater grip differential between car and drivers, therefore resulting in greater passing opportunities throughout the race...

obviously a setup for a hard compound is slightly different as compared to a soft compound, but i'm sure the idea could be engineered to work.

this isnt a very thoroughly thought out idea, but more a speculation. Would be keen to hear what others think?

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Old 18 Jan 2007, 01:31 (Ref:1818081)   #2
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I think its a good idea that would benefit the racing, but logical ideas and F1 never go together...
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Old 18 Jan 2007, 02:25 (Ref:1818097)   #3
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Rule 77d of the current sporting regulations states that unless a driver has used 'wet' tyres in a race,he must use at least one set of each specification of dry tyre.

http://www.fia.com/resources/documen...EGULATIONS.pdf

So in effect there is no option tyre,but drivers must use each spec of tyre during a race.

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Old 18 Jan 2007, 02:28 (Ref:1818099)   #4
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I thought Bridgestone were looking at implementing the "Red Wall" scheme in 2008, when they are officially recognised as the control tyre of Formula One...?

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speculated 2 variants, a hard compound and 'red wall' tyres indicating the soft compound (as is currently used by bridgestone in the IRL i am led to believe?).
Don't know about IRL, but it is definately used in Champ Car. Each team is issued with a certain amount of these tyres to use as they please.
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Old 18 Jan 2007, 02:40 (Ref:1818104)   #5
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Thanks Martyn, you have answered my question right there. I was wondering whether i had interpreted the article correctly.

So, for the upcoming season, we should see greater passing opportunities as relates to the tyres and the differential in grip levels.... I had not heard much talk of this previously, which is surprising, as you would think that this will be the tyre equvalent of a 'push to pass' whereby, a driver will look to be more aggressive in his 'soft compound' stint of the race....
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Old 18 Jan 2007, 02:44 (Ref:1818105)   #6
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I thought Bridgestone were looking at implementing the "Red Wall" scheme in 2008, when they are officially recognised as the control tyre of Formula One...?
I can only show you what the regulations say.Bridgestone has suggested that it would like to implement the option tyre rule for this season.But as the rules stand that is what we have anyway,except that you can also opt to use the harder tyre on one occasion.
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Old 18 Jan 2007, 02:50 (Ref:1818108)   #7
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a driver will look to be more aggressive in his 'soft compound' stint of the race....
You will probably find that a driver opts to use the hard tyre just once in the race.This,of course,will depend upon strategy and also which of the tyres they qualified on.

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Old 18 Jan 2007, 07:11 (Ref:1818160)   #8
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Seems a bit of a strange, typically complex idea. But I guess it would be a good move.
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Old 18 Jan 2007, 08:29 (Ref:1818192)   #9
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You will have,in effect,a sort of manufactured tyre war,but it is now more important for the teams to get it right,rather than the tyre companies.I suppose that the FIA have given something back to the teams and drivers.
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Old 18 Jan 2007, 09:12 (Ref:1818224)   #10
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Won't everybody use their soft tyres for qualifying and the first stint?
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Won't everybody use their soft tyres for qualifying and the first stint?
Not if they were one stopping or had a long first stint, but I guess the soft option would be the one used the most at the start.

Does anyone know if the tyres will actually have red walls? It'll be really hard to keep up otherwise...
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Old 18 Jan 2007, 11:14 (Ref:1818341)   #12
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i think Redwall tyres would be good so than the spectators can see which type of tyre they are running, as F1 has adopted a similar stradigy to ChampCar but without the coloured wall, so i thinl F1 should adopt the coloured walls.
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Old 18 Jan 2007, 11:52 (Ref:1818374)   #13
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Not if they were one stopping or had a long first stint, but I guess the soft option would be the one used the most at the start....
Surely though even this years "softs" will be harder than last years harder compounds.
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Old 18 Jan 2007, 12:23 (Ref:1818399)   #14
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Oh no, here we go again. Didn't we just have this discussion? Option tyres, push-to-pass, just too gimickie for me. If I want to see push-to-pass graphics and red-walled tyres, I'd watch Champcar. Anyway, carry-on.

By the way, great posts Martyn, thanks for that.

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Old 18 Jan 2007, 12:47 (Ref:1818415)   #15
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Won't everybody use their soft tyres for qualifying and the first stint?
You would initially think 'yes',but some cars may not like the soft tyres,they may not like the hard tyres!

I hope that there is enough difference between "hard" and "soft" to make the races really interesting.It will be difficult for the teams to get the right balance on both specs of tyres during a race.The car/driver that uses the tyres best will be key to the championship IMO.

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