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Old 30 May 2011, 11:24 (Ref:2888123)   #1
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Pirelli (ITA) : ban tyre changes under red flag.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91893

Were we robbed of a tight conclusion up top because of the tyre changes during the red flag interruption? I think they have a point there, refuelling was banned during red flags. There could always be an exemption for if there's a weather change, or if the tyres are clearly dangerously damaged (with a stop-go penalty). Perhaps it could be full parc ferme conditions, possibly?
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Old 30 May 2011, 11:33 (Ref:2888130)   #2
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Yes. It was interesting how the change to tyres with similar rates of degradation had totally killed the racing. Not for the first time though.

I would hope that the FIA are having a look at what could be done to change this aspect of the Red Flag regulations.
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Old 30 May 2011, 11:50 (Ref:2888135)   #3
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Were we robbed of a tight conclusion up top because of the tyre changes during the red flag interruption? I think they have a point there, refuelling was banned during red flags. There could always be an exemption for if there's a weather change, or if the tyres are clearly dangerously damaged (with a stop-go penalty). Perhaps it could be full parc ferme conditions, possibly?
Agreed, it was a shame what happened.
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Old 30 May 2011, 12:01 (Ref:2888141)   #4
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Being ignorant of the rules under red flag conditions (I guess I haven't paid attention in previous occurences) I was astonished that they were allowed to change tyres and work on the cars. It totally destroyed what was shaping up to be a fantastic finish. It may not happen again for quite some time, but I think they have to respond and change this rule.
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Old 30 May 2011, 14:25 (Ref:2888206)   #5
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Being ignorant of the rules under red flag conditions (I guess I haven't paid attention in previous occurences) I was astonished that they were allowed to change tyres and work on the cars. It totally destroyed what was shaping up to be a fantastic finish. It may not happen again for quite some time, but I think they have to respond and change this rule.
For what it's worth I'd say the simplest option would be to say that if there is a red flag you can go to the grid and do only what is required to start the car or you can go to the pits and do anything you are allowed to do during a pitstop but these cars will exit the pits in race order after those on the grid have gone past and will take the safety car restart in those positions. Seems logical to me.
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Old 30 May 2011, 14:28 (Ref:2888210)   #6
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For what it's worth I'd say the simplest option would be to say that if there is a red flag you can go to the grid and do only what is required to start the car or you can go to the pits and do anything you are allowed to do during a pitstop but these cars will exit the pits in race order after those on the grid have gone past and will take the safety car restart in those positions. Seems logical to me.
sounds logical to me as well. you should only be allowed to pop tyre blankets on and the various umbilical chords the car needs to survive, or if you work on the car then you have to start from the pits
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Old 30 May 2011, 14:29 (Ref:2888212)   #7
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Shoulda just done a straight grid restart haha.
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i think the simplest solution would have been just to end the race. im glad that didnt happen though.

im curious if anyone in charge would be willing to accept the risk (and culpability) of allowing a restart with marginal tires that are not up to temperature. some of these people already spent a decade or so answering somewhat similar questions.
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Old 30 May 2011, 15:24 (Ref:2888238)   #9
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Last year I recall someone (Vettel?) waiting until the very last lap to switch onto the hard compound. Could you imagine a red flag in that situation? This regulartion literally needs to be changed yesterday.
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Last year I recall someone (Vettel?) waiting until the very last lap to switch onto the hard compound. Could you imagine a red flag in that situation? This regulartion literally needs to be changed yesterday.
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Old 30 May 2011, 15:45 (Ref:2888253)   #11
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i think the simplest solution would have been just to end the race. im glad that didnt happen though.

im curious if anyone in charge would be willing to accept the risk (and culpability) of allowing a restart with marginal tires that are not up to temperature. some of these people already spent a decade or so answering somewhat similar questions.
I don't agree that the responsability should be on the shoulders of the race director or race control like you seem to imply. the teams/drivers are the decision makers for themselves and therefore it's their responsability should they decide not to incur on a penalty (or restart on the pit lane like someone rightfully suggested here) and remain on marginal tyres to keep track position.

Because of this kind of mentality we've had situations like Korea with the front-runners, satisfied with their position on track, wanting to go to the end of the race behind the safety car. "Oh, it's undrivable" "worst conditions ever" etc.. and shortly after they began racing we had quite a few cars going to the boxes to exchange the full wets for inters.
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I don't agree that the responsability should be on the shoulders of the race director or race control like you seem to imply. the teams/drivers are the decision makers for themselves and therefore it's their responsability should they decide not to incur on a penalty (or restart on the pit lane like someone rightfully suggested here) and remain on marginal tyres to keep track position.

Because of this kind of mentality we've had situations like Korea with the front-runners, satisfied with their position on track, wanting to go to the end of the race behind the safety car. "Oh, it's undrivable" "worst conditions ever" etc.. and shortly after they began racing we had quite a few cars going to the boxes to exchange the full wets for inters.
You are correct. They need to change this yesterday as you Golddustmini and fourWheelDrift recommend.
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