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Old 18 Jun 2015, 14:28 (Ref:3551891)   #1
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World Rallycross R6 - Holjes, Sweden

Entry list for Holjes online:

http://media.rallycrossrx.com/docs/2...list%20PDF.pdf

35 Supercars
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19 Touring Cars
15 Lites

Decent numbers in all the classes, should be some good racing.
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Old 19 Jun 2015, 08:26 (Ref:3552084)   #2
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Just a shame restricted numbers in s1600 for Germany and Sweden
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Old 19 Jun 2015, 09:29 (Ref:3552095)   #3
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Bugger, just noticed that I made a typo in the thread title! Could a mod change the "R5" to "R6" please?
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Old 19 Jun 2015, 10:12 (Ref:3552101)   #4
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So, why then do Sweden get Lites, 1600 and Supertourers?

When most rounds only get two supports?
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Old 19 Jun 2015, 16:18 (Ref:3552197)   #5
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So, why then do Sweden get Lites, 1600 and Supertourers?

When most rounds only get two supports?
Because it's currently the home of rallycross?
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Old 19 Jun 2015, 20:15 (Ref:3552252)   #6
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Tamas Karai in Audi A1? No de Keersmaecker again
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Old 21 Jun 2015, 10:38 (Ref:3552670)   #7
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Nope, starting list reads Audi S1. Like EKS, not like Larsson-Jernberg. According to FIA list for non-homologated cars two different models.
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Old 21 Jun 2015, 10:57 (Ref:3552679)   #8
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Oh, I meant: does he have a new car? No Skoda?
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Old 22 Jun 2015, 10:58 (Ref:3552991)   #9
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Oh, I meant: does he have a new car? No Skoda?
No idea! Just meant do not mix up A1 with S1.
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No Supernational Sweden vs Norway this year?


Because it's currently the home of rallycross?
Don't worry, it will be again on friday. If you go to rallycross.com and click on previews and then Time Schedule for Höljes it is listed on friday.

Wasn't Hunsbedt allowed to race? Why is he not in the entry list?
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Wasn't Hunsbedt allowed to race? Why is he not in the entry list?
Have no info that Ludde was interested to drive again this year.
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Have no info that Ludde was interested to drive again this year.
Sorry, my mistake!
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Old 25 Jun 2015, 19:57 (Ref:3553937)   #13
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Out of possible curiosity: is anyone going there by car passing the Rotterdam area and willing to "sell" a seat?
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Old 6 Jul 2015, 08:01 (Ref:3556116)   #14
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Well that was an eventful final! Hansen was certainly quick and he would have been a deserving winner, but he was a tad optimistic with the track limits!
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Old 6 Jul 2015, 09:03 (Ref:3556131)   #15
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He observed the 'track limit' very well, and helped Ekstrom to stay on the track, might have thought that he could have gone off! Very helpful guy, almost at the cost of himself going 4 wheels on the kerb (and thus leaving the track).
Yeah that was a bunch of strange green table cloth politics again.
This aggressive move was aggressive enough to loose first place, but not aggressive enough to get black flagged/excluded? So... this IS WRX but a bit naughty, keep on doing it, but within limits, which we change per race, per protest, per videoed event (or the lack of video registration, camera pointing elsewhere etc).
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Old 6 Jul 2015, 09:10 (Ref:3556132)   #16
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I have to say that, whilst I agree with you that there is a complete lack of consistency with the application of the rules, this was a good common sense decision. Had he spun ekstrom off he would have deserved a black flag, but as it was the positions could be simply reversed and everyone wins, especiay the crowd who got to see a fantastic finish. It was an audacious but skilful effort rather than a desperate punt. That's the difference for me.
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Old 6 Jul 2015, 13:08 (Ref:3556188)   #17
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Ekstrom choose to cruise home rather then finishing at race pace, seeing the MASSIVE speed difference between the #1 and # 2 and 3. Left a car wide gap at the back by drifting(showing off?), Timmy went in, rallycross-style. And then was robbed of his 1th place.
The stewards invented the swapping places. Of course, they have the right to, the FIA bible says: stewards, do anything you like. So, although app. L has rules about it, rx regs have a penalty next to it, they invented yet another one to mark their territory, just like in the past when they set races to their hands. Again, randomly. The Dino's still have to much to say within RX, sadly enough.
Yeah, this will be a popular ruling for the spectators in the last corner, about 10.000 of them I'd say, they saw someone else win... and more then 1 hour later, there is another winner. There was an earlier penalty which had to be revoked because it was total bullpoo. Something the spectators in the last corner all saw and could have told the stewards. So... what are their rulings worth.... The (IMG) millions of people watching the live stream and tv broadcast saw someone else win. There's no way in this world any of those are going to understand this ruling. For them RX is that last corner move and win.
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Old 6 Jul 2015, 13:43 (Ref:3556195)   #18
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Ekstrom choose to cruise home rather then finishing at race pace, seeing the MASSIVE speed difference between the #1 and # 2 and 3. Left a car wide gap at the back by drifting(showing off?), Timmy went in, rallycross-style. And then was robbed of his 1th place.
Did you see the replay, or even saw the race for that matter? Ekström was never drifting or "showing off", he was on the curbs and Hansen cut through the corner in order to take him.

https://video-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hv...1b&oe=559A9D6D
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What a track! Now I get why people complay about Global Rallycross and their parking lots...
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What a track! Now I get why people complay about Global Rallycross and their parking lots...
The real thing is just that bit better isn't it? Proper circuits will beat temporary bodge jobs every time.
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Old 6 Jul 2015, 19:26 (Ref:3556270)   #21
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I don't know where you see that 'cutting the corner'. Stewards decision #5 clearly says that there was no corner cut short. Black on euh.. yellow proof. Why the places were swapped is still a mystery. Well, it should say more clearly how and what in that paper. 'you have the right to appeal' (after dropping a wopping 6000 euro) but what you could appeal to, we keep a secret. Yeah I know.. it's prolly in #4, but it should be repeated in this one with article numbers etc. Amateur Dino's (I know 1th line says pushing, then there is the retracting of the regulatory penalty, but there's no new offense given for which the new, invented, penalty is given.)

Still, how many times I watch it, Ekstrom slowed down because he thought he had a clear win after seeing Timmy going to joker and after that even gained more distance between the two of them before the jump, landed and set the car up to powerslide it to the finishline, in style. I won't call is showing off anymore
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As a matter of fact: Ekström told on TV that he didn't expect Hansen to be so close because his team didn't tell him! What on earth do we need those mirrors for than? Your team should be complementary no more, no less... Anyway I thought it was a nice move by Hansen on pace dropping Ekström. Yeah it might be on the limit or over it, but we have seen far more aggressive take overs this season (like Timur's).
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Did anyone else notice the comments of team boss Erikson on Bakkerud? Ok, it might be fair for him to tell his thoughts on him, but isn't he to hard on him? And will his pushing on the radio actually help or make things worse? Especially as KE said that AB needs to feel more self-confidence, but will his method work? I think it will not help AB...
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He was not preparing to finish in style either .. I know he slowed down, before the last corner. But Hansen went for the win and drove faster, he gained quite a few meters on Ekström on the jump before the move. Hansen was not near on the on the fastest section but then Ekström started to slow down.

My point is that Ekström already were on the inside, he was on the curbs even. There is really no room unless you go outside the track and use the car in front of you to "lean" on. Though, I hope this won't scare Hansen to do overtakings in the future
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Timmy was never 'outside the track'.
Never.
Please stop saying that.
Even the stewards that normally are sitting in their air-conditioned chamber sipping champagne, with their backs towards the track, decided he wasn't. See their publication, it says so in writing.
Yeah Ekstrom was on the kerb, so what? And he choose to slow down. Perhaps to wave hello to his mom/dad/aunt, who cares what he thought, it wasn't a very wise move if he was serious about winning. Somehow he wasn't.
To finish first, you first have to finish. That's law in the jungle.
Not fantasy rules about who touched the kerb first or who occupies most square inches of kerb or whatever. One wheel on the track. That's a, sunday by decision #5 by the stewards of the meeting again underlined, rule.
Was Timmy's move bold, a bit more aggressive then necessary, yeah, but it wouldn't have been had Ekstrom kept his foot down. Simply because he wouldn't have been there to begin with, there wouldn't have been a car to lean to.
This is rallycross. Decision #5 says so.

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