Goodbye Tonio -- Hello Sebastian #2

Bluewolf · 7 Aug 2007, 19:09 (Ref:1983629)

Or will it be #1 ---- next season it will be the battle of the Sebastians to see who is the number one driver at STR -- here's the link --

http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlin...07164334.shtml

Peter Ford · 8 Aug 2007, 03:28 (Ref:1983644)

Lets hope he will be happy finally geting to f1.

Teretonga · 8 Aug 2007, 03:35 (Ref:1983649)

I think it will be out of a fat contract into the fire.......

Fish_Flake · 8 Aug 2007, 03:57 (Ref:1983664)

Has there been any other point in the history of Formula 1 where a team has fielded two drivers with the same first name? And how will their radio communications work around that potential problem?

Dutton · 8 Aug 2007, 04:09 (Ref:1983670)

You assign them different titles. The options are numerous, but what they actually call them is essentially irrelevant. One Sebastian, the other Vettel (or vice versa). You could call one Bluemonkey and the other Fingergap. I fail to see the problem.

I cannot say I am at all surprised with this development. If it is true that STR had an option on him, then it would've been a bit bonkers for them not to take advantage.

ThePenguin · 8 Aug 2007, 04:18 (Ref:1983674)

I am very happy for Sebastian Bourdais, I know that he has been wanting to get into F1 for some time now, and it finally looks like he will have a stable team that has signed him.

FPV GTHO · 8 Aug 2007, 04:36 (Ref:1983686)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish_Flake

Has there been any other point in the history of Formula 1 where a team has fielded two drivers with the same first name? And how will their radio communications work around that potential problem?

Dont they have different engineers, who are the ones doing most of the communicating?

Dutton · 8 Aug 2007, 04:47 (Ref:1983692)

Well, they tend to communicate to the different drivers by pressing the relevant button to open the relevant channel.

However, it does not matter either way: all they have to do is not call them both Sebastian over the radio.

It is really, really, really, really simple.

Is it me?

williamsf1 · 8 Aug 2007, 05:08 (Ref:1983704)

Tonio would do well to go test for Ferrari for 12mths.... and simply restore his rep....

sizzle · 8 Aug 2007, 05:08 (Ref:1983705)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutton

Well, they tend to communicate to the different drivers by pressing the relevant button to open the relevant channel.

However, it does not matter either way: all they have to do is not call them both Sebastian over the radio.

It is really, really, really, really simple.

Is it me?

Nothing on here is ever simple.

lookleft · 8 Aug 2007, 05:50 (Ref:1983723)

Sebastien
Sebastian

Dutton · 8 Aug 2007, 06:02 (Ref:1983729)

I think the two got be very easily confused over the radio in the middle of a race.

climb · 8 Aug 2007, 06:06 (Ref:1983731)

Let me say I'm not happy at all for both drivers involved:
- For Liuzzi cos he doesn't deserve to be fired
- For Bourdais cos such an experienced driver would have deserved a better team.

Dutton · 8 Aug 2007, 06:22 (Ref:1983742)

Luizzi has not been fired: his contract will not be renewed. Different things.

Bourdais' alternative is not getting a drive at all.

I commend you for managing to find the most negative outlook possible on the situation...

Dixie Flatline · 8 Aug 2007, 07:13 (Ref:1983760)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish_Flake

Has there been any other point in the history of Formula 1 where a team has fielded two drivers with the same first name? And how will their radio communications work around that potential problem?

Surnames will do nicely, thanks:

Vettel

Bourdais

No confusion there.

FPV GTHO · 8 Aug 2007, 07:22 (Ref:1983764)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutton

Well, they tend to communicate to the different drivers by pressing the relevant button to open the relevant channel.

However, it does not matter either way: all they have to do is not call them both Sebastian over the radio.

It is really, really, really, really simple.

Is it me?

Well then it works both ways; they should be only talking to one driver at a time anyway so what does it matter.

f1manoz · 8 Aug 2007, 07:25 (Ref:1983767)

It's taken long enough for Bourdais!

Hope it all comes to fruition.

**Peter Mallett** · 8 Aug 2007, 09:22 (Ref:1983838)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie Flatline

Surnames will do nicely, thanks:

Vettel

Bourdais

No confusion there.

Brundle and Blundell. Poor old Murray was stuffed with those two at Ligier.

spider · 8 Aug 2007, 09:46 (Ref:1983866)

If this is true, it's great news for both tonio and Bourdais. Tonio's rep has taken a serious dent over the last 2 seasons, so as someone else suggested, a move to a big team like Ferrari as a tester may help.

For Bourdais it's simple, if he does a good job compared to Vettel and begins to help the team sort itself out in terms of their technical understandings of their car, he'll be a great asset and may get the move to replace DC in the RB senior team in 09.

Toro Rosso will still be a back of the grid team, but you look from outside-in at Tonio and Scott, and though they may be quick, you can't imagine them inspiring and motivating...

williamsf1 · 8 Aug 2007, 09:49 (Ref:1983868)

yep Tonio to Ferrari you heard it here first

especially since MS thinks Tonio is fast... (he beat MS in the world championships a few years ago!) An Italian tester on the cheap for Ferrari out pacing Massa and Kimi would do no wrong for the PR machine also!!! I can see La gazzetta dello sport now!

Patrick Fletche · 8 Aug 2007, 10:37 (Ref:1983904)

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsf1

yep Tonio to Ferrari you heard it here first

especially since MS thinks Tonio is fast... (he beat MS in the world championships a few years ago!) An Italian tester on the cheap for Ferrari out pacing Massa and Kimi would do no wrong for the PR machine also!!! I can see La gazzetta dello sport now!

Everyone knows that the problem with STR is not the drivers or the car. Both have proven themselves elsewhere. The problem is the management, which is not so proven.
Any F1 rookie going there is not doing their career much good, they would be better testing for a proper team.

As for Liuzzi outpacing Kimi!! Maybe if you blindfold Kimi or cut one of his arms off. Liuzzi is a good driver but just not in the same league as Kimi when it comes to pure speed. Who is?

ensign14 · 8 Aug 2007, 10:37 (Ref:1983905)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Brundle and Blundell. Poor old Murray was stuffed with those two at Ligier.

Not so confused as the Japanese. Didn't they transliterate as Birundiru and Birunderu?

(Team-mates with same first names - Brabham in the 70s, Reutemann/Pace...)

Spritle · 8 Aug 2007, 10:43 (Ref:1983906)

Bourdais, the next DeMatta...guaranteed!

STR will have two NEW drivers in 2009 too.

Bleu · 8 Aug 2007, 15:53 (Ref:1984136)

Thinking of possible communication problems, they should sign Buemi as test driver.

Dutton · 8 Aug 2007, 16:57 (Ref:1984185)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

Well then it works both ways; they should be only talking to one driver at a time anyway so what does it matter.

Well, they could open a channel that contacts both at once. Anyway, yes, it makes no difference at all.

This has been my point throughout this painfully (unnecessarily) laboured point of discussion!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie Flatline

Vettel

Bourdais

No confusion there.

Exactly. As I said earlier:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutton

However, it does not matter either way: all they have to do is not call them both Sebastian over the radio.

It is really, really, really, really simple.

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