2019 VASC Silly Season (WITH POLL)

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Forda

Not sure exactly what is your point here, but perhaps Roland would have been better off taking his own advice, and built a Mustang; instead of trying to homologate a FWD hatchback into a "Supercar"?

Red herring. Nice try.

[Driver TBA]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Penske is spending the same amount of money as the rest of the field put together

Any links to substantiate this claim? Penske's race teams don't have to turn a profit, but they must financially stand on their own feet.

Originally Posted by Mixer

The only reason the Mustangs are not taking up the entire top of the chart is that other than Scotty, the rest can't string a result together.

The exact same could be said for every Commodore team other than 888.
If they were running Mustangs, their results wouldn't improve.
888 have battled plenty of dramas this year completely unrelated to parity.

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[mayhem]

I like how Roland cant regularly beat other Holdens consistently like in the past but knows that the Commodore is lacking in areas compared to the Mustang. Wonder how he has enough information on the Ford to be able to lodge a successful bid for yet another parity adjustment?

[bloggs]

Why is nobody talking about the timing of this Parity adjustment? Fancy that, its Just before Bathurst.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Driver TBA

Any links to substantiate this claim? Penske's race teams don't have to turn a profit, but they must financially stand on their own feet.

it was put to Ryan Story that the team was spending $16m to run 2 cars and he didn't deny it, in fact his response basically confirmed it without doing so.

Originally Posted by Driver TBA

The exact same could be said for every Commodore team other than 888.
If they were running Mustangs, their results wouldn't improve.
888 have battled plenty of dramas this year completely unrelated to parity.

And that is why those Commodore cars are running in the teens to 20s, meanwhile the 6 Mustangs of varying quality and driver ability sit in the top 10.

There is no doubt there are a bunch of guys who would leap up the field just like Lee & Will did this year if they were in Mustangs. Plenty of guys better than those two and the equal of Cam & Fabian. SVG and Jamie would belt all 4 of them in an equal car.

[Forda]

Originally Posted by Mixer

it was put to Ryan Story that the team was spending $16m to run 2 cars and he didn't deny it, in fact his response basically confirmed it without doing so.

No link though?

How much was Roland spending per year, prior to him mysteriously slashing costs this year?

Originally Posted by Mixer

SVG and Jamie would belt all 4 of them in an equal car.

Up until this year, they've had the best cars for yonks.
The fact they no longer do is due to whatever is currently up with 888.

[Driver TBA]

Originally Posted by Mixer

it was put to Ryan Story that the team was spending $16m to run 2 cars and he didn't deny it, in fact his response basically confirmed it without doing so.

Link, or what interview? What was his response that "basically confirmed it without doing so"?

Originally Posted by Mixer

And that is why those Commodore cars are running in the teens to 20s, meanwhile the 6 Mustangs of varying quality and driver ability sit in the top 10.

There is no doubt there are a bunch of guys who would leap up the field just like Lee & Will did this year if they were in Mustangs. Plenty of guys better than those two and the equal of Cam & Fabian. SVG and Jamie would belt all 4 of them in an equal car.

In your opinion, yet those same Commodore's were filling those positions last year.

Erebus can regularly go toe toe or beat 888 on a poofteenth of the 888 budget. The rest of the ZB runners get smacked week in week out by those 2. I doubt a Mustang would move those guys up.

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[gtcapri]

The plot thickens, Crompton and Kelly resign from Supercars commission and Burgess changing aero without approval of the board.

https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/09/07...embers-resign/

I'm off to grab some popcorn and make a foil hat!!

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by gtcapri

The plot thickens, Crompton and Kelly resign from Supercars commission and Burgess changing aero without approval of the board.

The board's approval isn't part of the process. The board delegated to a technical committee:

However, multiple paddock sources have also told this website that the adjustments to the Holdens were not approved by the Supercars Commission per se, but by the championship’s technical department acting on behalf of the Commission and in accordance with series regulations.

[GTRMagic]

I reckon if he was up for it, a pragmatist like Ross Stone would be awesome for a Commission position..

[Driver TBA]

So is the recent parity adjustment actually one of the reasons Kelly and Crompo resigned. Or are Speedcafe assuming, based on who they are and the timing?

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

I reckon if he was up for it, a pragmatist like Ross Stone would be awesome for a Commission position..

X2.

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[Razor]

Originally Posted by Driver TBA

So is the recent parity adjustment actually one of the reasons Kelly and Crompo resigned. Or are Speedcafe assuming, based on who they are and the timing?

Well the Kelly family has their fingers in a lot of pies so dare say the resignation is to get something off Mr. T. Kelly's plate. Same with Crompton with his media commitments and wanting to spend more time with family

[Compromised]

Originally Posted by Mixer

The board's approval isn't part of the process. The board delegated to a technical committee:

When I delegate to a subordinate, it doesn't mean I'm giving them carte blanche to do as the please with no consequences...

[one five five]

Time to hand the reigns back to CAMS

Originally Posted by Razor

Same with Crompton with his media commitments and wanting to spend more time with family

What are Crompton's media commitments (outside of Supercars TV commentary)?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by one five five

Time to hand the reigns back to CAMS



What are Crompton's media commitments (outside of Supercars TV commentary)?

His business AirTime media runs the Toyota 86 series, and provides the vision & media package to both off road racing & the ARC...

[Umai Naa]

CAMS' time as a promotor to F4 has shown they have not got what it takes.

[Nicholosophy]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

CAMS' time as a promotor to F4 has shown they have not got what it takes.

With apologies to Tina Turner...

🎵What's CAMS got to do, got to do with it...🎵

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by Razor

....with Crompton with his media commitments and wanting to spend more time with family

HOLD THE PHONE!!! Crompton has a family?? Everyone is entitled to privacy, but geez, he's done a bloody awesome job of keeping them locked in cupboard all these years....

[gtcapri]

Originally Posted by Denosaur

HOLD THE PHONE!!! Crompton has a family?? Everyone is entitled to privacy, but geez, he's done a bloody awesome job of keeping them locked in cupboard all these years....

Point being this will probably be the line used by Crompton whether its the reason or not. He'll tow whatever company line is applicable. If its not you'll have to wait for the book...............in about 15-20 years if the series lasts that long and by then, no-one will care.
Todds decision may be more in line by the Instagram Rick released last week about changes to the Commodores.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

CAMS' time as a promotor to F4 has shown they have not got what it takes.

Did the motor racing fraternity really give them a fair go with that?

They'd do alright,

[Razor]

Originally Posted by Denosaur

HOLD THE PHONE!!! Crompton has a family?? Everyone is entitled to privacy, but geez, he's done a bloody awesome job of keeping them locked in cupboard all these years....

He's got a wife (second marriage) and two daughters. One that's an adult and another one aged about 10 if memory serves. He's a very private man.

[Umai Naa]

Understandable, given how savage social media can be.

[S griffin]

I think we should all let them get on with it and let our opinions heard in the right places

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Mixer

it was put to Ryan Story that the team was spending $16m to run 2 cars and he didn't deny it, in fact his response basically confirmed it without doing so.

The Holden Racing were supposedly spending around $10m to run two winning vehicles 20 years ago, which is equivalent to $15.6m AUD in 2019 dollars.

In this context, the DJRTP 2019 budget to run two winning vehicles seems perfectly reasonable and is entirely consistent with precedent.

IIRC, a budget cap of $7m per two cars was proposed for the 2008 season, known then as the Total Racing Expenditure Cap (TREC), but this regulation was rejected. and never implemented. In 2019 dollars, this would be a cap of $8.4m per two cars per season.

All a TREC would do, would be to make it attractive to run four cars, with two unloved "Krates", and the remainder of the Krate's $8.4m barrelled into development onto the lead two cars.

Originally Posted by Mixer

And that is why those Commodore cars are running in the teens to 20s, meanwhile the 6 Mustangs of varying quality and driver ability sit in the top 10.

?????

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by one five five

Did the motor racing fraternity really give them a fair go with that?

Yes. Formula Ford is as strong as ever.