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Old 23 Feb 2018, 11:55 (Ref:3803386)   #1306
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Sodemo should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSodemo should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSodemo should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSodemo should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
The halo is an abomination in my view. Just an ill-thought out exercise in corporate ass covering.
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Old 23 Feb 2018, 12:29 (Ref:3803393)   #1307
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Agree with Toto, the halo is never gonna be good looking.
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Old 23 Feb 2018, 13:06 (Ref:3803405)   #1308
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Finally an onboard video with Halo fitted.

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/966757806857703425


That is terrible!!
Absolutely, plus the body work on either side of the cockpit really narrows the field of vision.
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Old 23 Feb 2018, 13:49 (Ref:3803413)   #1309
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Already posted above!

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Old 23 Feb 2018, 14:35 (Ref:3803427)   #1310
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so obviously fans like us are pretty much in agreement...the HALO, despite its best intentions, looks horrible.

once the world at large sees them at the first race, will opinion reach another level of scrutiny and public backlash?

will this be like the failed change in quali from a few years back...when the world sees it in action for the first time, will the negative attention be enough for them to change the rules early/mid season?

so question, can the HALO be removed at this point?

maybe not during the early season fly away races but by the time they return for the European portion of the season?
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Old 23 Feb 2018, 14:44 (Ref:3803428)   #1311
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so obviously fans like us are pretty much in agreement...the HALO, despite its best intentions, looks horrible.

once the world at large sees them at the first race, will opinion reach another level of scrutiny and public backlash?

will this be like the failed change in quali from a few years back...when the world sees it in action for the first time, will the negative attention be enough for them to change the rules early/mid season?
I had posted awhile back something similar. I think there is a group who follow F1 during the off season (us) and most of that group are aware of what is going on and what it looks like. I think there is another tier of fans who are long standing F1 fans, but generally just start to pay attention as the first race weekend approached. I do expect there to be quite a large outcry from that second group who might currently be blissfully ignorant of what it looks like.

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so question, can the HALO be removed at this point?

maybe not during the early season fly away races but by the time they return for the European portion of the season?
Short of a clear safety issue evolving during the year in which some type of serious accident is blamed by the Halo and that justification for removal can be on safety grounds I think there is next to zero chance it will be removed this year. Everyone will suck it up and deal with it. I wouldn't even put money on it being removed next year. Especially from a liability perspective they will need to have a replacement in the wings (and we already know they move extremely slow on this topic).

If Indycar windscreen proves successful during 2018 then I can imagine we might see something different (windscreen or canopy) for the 2020 season. I can imagine it's adoption for other series may be stopped (assuming they are not past a point of no return).

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Old 23 Feb 2018, 15:05 (Ref:3803432)   #1312
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Short of a clear safety issue evolving during the year in which some type of serious accident is blamed by the Halo and that justification for removal can be on safety grounds I think there is next to zero chance it will be removed this year...
if public outcry is loud enough, i could see them 'manufacturing' a reason compelling enough to warrent their removal.

something minor of course, but a driver who has stopped trackside finds themselves getting stuck inside their HALO as they try to extract themselves without any help. then a red flag as assistance is given.

im picturing some sort of winnie the pooh getting stuck in a jar of honey type scenario.



more of a comedy of errors but enough to give cause for their removal!

but seriously...yeah i agree, think we are stuck with these things for a while!
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Old 23 Feb 2018, 16:20 (Ref:3803446)   #1313
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I am not at all concerned about the Halo 😇 because in reality I donít believe itís going to stay on the cars for that long ....
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Old 23 Feb 2018, 16:26 (Ref:3803450)   #1314
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I am not at all concerned about the Halo �� because in reality I don’t believe it’s going to stay on the cars for that long ....
same, i could genuinely see them switching to a windscreen and saying they thought it was of great importance to get something, anything onto the cars to protect the drivers.
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Old 23 Feb 2018, 17:06 (Ref:3803456)   #1315
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I am not at all concerned about the Halo 😇 because in reality I donít believe itís going to stay on the cars for that long ....
But didn't the FIA say, they wanted something in place for this season? If they drop the Halo, how quickly can they implement another device, Shield included, without adequate testing?
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Old 23 Feb 2018, 18:36 (Ref:3803468)   #1316
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They had a priority to introduce something that solved a problem. They also introduced a deadline. To do this they have introduced this. You could argue they could have developed something else, but, at least at one point, it looks like it wouldn’t be ready for the deadline. Now they can hone this, and look at other solutions to improve on this.

Please understand I’m not saying anything is actually needed. However, rather than just be glib I am attempting to understand a situation.

I wanted a house with a garage. At first I couldn’t afford one, so I moved in somewhere without a garage. I did not chose to get cold and wet every night until I could afford a house with a garage.

I don’t agree with this, but I can see how we have got here.
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Old 23 Feb 2018, 22:26 (Ref:3803505)   #1317
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They had a priority to introduce something that solved a problem. They also introduced a deadline. To do this they have introduced this. You could argue they could have developed something else, but, at least at one point, it looks like it wouldnít be ready for the deadline. Now they can hone this, and look at other solutions to improve on this.

Please understand Iím not saying anything is actually needed. However, rather than just be glib I am attempting to understand a situation.

I wanted a house with a garage. At first I couldnít afford one, so I moved in somewhere without a garage. I did not chose to get cold and wet every night until I could afford a house with a garage.

I donít agree with this, but I can see how we have got here.
I agree with you Adam, the FIA started introducing solutions in 2011, since the teams have been prevaricating and preventing any movement, and people have died because of their lack of action.

Now the FIA have forced the issue, good move (seven years to introduce a roll hoop extension, just the cutting edge of progress), perhaps now the precious will find a more effective solution.
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Old 24 Feb 2018, 04:20 (Ref:3803528)   #1318
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In that video of bottas it is really distracting when going straight. It draws your eyes right to it.
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in fairness it doesn’t impose on the forward view much, though you’d not have to be far behind a car to lose it behind the centre pillar.
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Old 24 Feb 2018, 12:28 (Ref:3803601)   #1320
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I hope it's gone in time and replaced by a windshield, that one is not only more elegant, but IMHO more practical than the halo
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