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Old 18 May 2003, 02:05 (Ref:602276)   #1
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F*****g #24!!!

Wrecked two cars so far, both cheap moves!
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Old 18 May 2003, 02:41 (Ref:602293)   #2
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Easy there, if it were anyone but Gordon, you'd be cheering. Nobody ever booed when Earnhardt tagged a guy.
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Old 18 May 2003, 05:31 (Ref:602327)   #3
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But Gordon IS cheap!
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Old 18 May 2003, 22:18 (Ref:602958)   #5
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Geez, a number of races go Dale jr hit everything on the track.
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Old 19 May 2003, 02:03 (Ref:603038)   #6
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Yeah, I was too lazy to rag on him about that.

I'm not against guys rubbing each other... But Dale was fair about it, Tony's usually fair about it, King Richard, Cale Yarborough, Fireball Roberts... All those guys were pretty fair about it. It's cheap shots like the ones Gordon was taking, just shoving guys out of his way, that I really object to.
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If everyone else is fair about it, what is fair?
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Old 19 May 2003, 04:03 (Ref:603071)   #8
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I suggest you ask Terry Labonte if he thought it was fair when Dale Earnhardt shoved him out of the way and took the win at Bristol in 1999. He may not say so now, out of respect, but I seem to recall at the time his comment was "He better tighten his belts."

Whenever anyone does that to Gordon, all of you Anti-Gordon types cheer like you won a war. But Gordon does it, and it's all about what a schmuck he is. And you know, it used to make me really mad. But you know what it does now? It makes me laugh. You guys are so jealous, it just cracks me up. You just can't accept what is written in the record books because you don't like what it says. But rather you like it or not, it says Jeff Gordon has the best record of all active drivers.

In just over 10 seasons, Gordon has 62 wins, which puts him in the lead among active drivers, and 6th among all drivers in the history of NASCAR. And with 4 Championships, he's in the lead among all active drivers, and 2nd among all drivers in the history of NASCAR.

And the best part is... It really irritates you guys, and I think that is absolutely hilarious!

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Best team, best car, huge ego, questionable behavior on and off track... He's the Michael Schumacher of NASCAR.

I don't remember the race in question Tim, so I can't comment.

But Gordon _is_ a shmuck, so get's got it coming when someone nails him!

I'm much more apt to like a hardass who's honest about it (Stewart, Harvick) than someone who plays Mr. Good Guy, then takes cheap shots at the on-track competition

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In just over 10 seasons, Gordon has 62 wins, which puts him in the lead among active drivers, and 6th among all drivers in the history of NASCAR. nd with 4 Championships, he's in the lead among all active drivers, and 2nd among all drivers in the history of NASCAR.
What happened to the "King" and Dale Earnhardt?
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Tied for 1st. Duh.
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I'm much more apt to like a hardass who's honest about it (Stewart, Harvick) than someone who plays Mr. Good Guy, then takes cheap shots at the on-track competition
So in other words you're more likely to like a guy who'll wreck someone to win any old time, than someone who only does it once in awhile? I guess a driver's overall ability is irrelevant then? And that may be a good description of Harvick, but not Stewart. He's won races without roughing anyone up. In fact, I can't think of any races that he intentionally wrecked someone to win. I'm more apt to like someone with a little talent over someone who can't win without driving like that.

So I still say "So what?" if Gordon gets a little aggressive once in awhile. It ain't like he's a crowd of one in that respect. There are a lot of drivers who are far more aggressive than Gordon. But sadly for them, they just don't have Gordon's talent and driving ability.

But as far as you not remembering the Bristol '99 race, here's a little read for ya. It is of course, old news. But the story is so typical of NASCAR...

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BRISTOL, Tenn. - NASCAR swallowed the whistle. Sports officials have always been reluctant to make calls in the final moments of a contest, even if there's an apparently obvious infraction. That's what happened Saturday night at Bristol Motor Speedway, when Dale Earnhardt spun Terry Labonte on the final lap and won the Goody's 500.

On a night when NASCAR officials had been particularly whistle-happy, their inaction on the Earnhardt-Labonte incident was conspicuous. On Lap 99, Jerry Nadeau had been penalized two laps for "aggressive driving" after hitting points leader Dale Jarrett's already damaged car. On Lap 411, Dave Marcis was docked one lap for "intentionally causing a caution" because NASCAR officials felt he stopped his car on the track despite having ample opportunity to get to pit road.

The implication was that Marcis was trying to get a yellow so Dale Earnhardt -- whose car owner, Richard Childress, has often provided Marcis with support for his racing -- could make a pit stop under caution. The truth is since Earnhardt was pitting on the backstretch, a green-flag stop would have worked more in his favor.

The Nadeau penalty is a more direct parallel to what wasn't called at the end. If Nadeau, who was driving in place of the injured Ernie Irvan, deserved a two-lap penalty for hitting a hobbled race car with 400 laps to go, what did Earnhardt deserve a quarter-mile from the checkered flag?

Nothing, NASCAR decided. Without definitive evidence he intentionally wrecked Labonte, Earnhardt keeps his 73rd career victory and race fans get a controversy. Had Nadeau not been penalized early in the race, the controversy wouldn't nearly have as much meat. There was certainly no more proof of and far less motivation for Nadeau to deliberately wreck Jarrett than for Earnhardt to take out Labonte.

Without the Nadeau penalty, NASCAR would have had a solid defense for swallowing the whistle. If you decide to penalize Earnhardt, how do you go about it? Do you dock Earnhardt a number of laps to push him back in the field? If so, that makes Jimmy Spencer the race winner and not Terry Labonte, who is the aggrieved party. Do you revert back to the running order after Lap 499 to make Labonte the winner? Do that and you take away second from Spencer and third from Ricky Rudd, who did nothing wrong.

The obvious irony is that a controversial finish ending in an Earnhardt victory is exactly the kind of thing Winston Cup race fans live for. Saturday's race will fuel discussions for weeks, and it won't do anything to hurt ticket sales for future races at Bristol, either. Things like what happened Saturday are why you can fill more than 140,000 seats around a half-mile of concrete.

"Race fans are great people," said Earnhardt, who heard boos in Victory Lane. "They’re great critics, too. If they're not cheering they'd better be booing me. I've got big shoulders and I can take the blame or the pressure or whatever. I'm sure we'll hear about the race for a while and we'll just have to take it like it is. I have to take what comes and race from here on. Was I not supposed to try to pass him back? I know I wasn't supposed to try to wreck him, but was I not supposed to try to get back to him and get under him?"

Labonte didn't start any fights Saturday night, but he did sound a warning. "He'd better tighten his belts up" Labonte said of Earnhardt. Earnhardt knew Labonte wouldn't be his best buddy. "We'll have to wait and see if he punches me out or won't talk to me or just waits until the next race or whatever," Earnhardt said. "Terry is a great racer. We've raced a lot over the years. We went hunting and have done some things together, but you know, people get upset. I can apologize to him all day long and that's not going to change what happened."

Does that mean that Earnhardt felt like he has something to apologize for? "I don't know," Earnhardt said. "If it would have been on the other foot and I had been the one turned around, I probably would think about it pretty hard and know he was going to race me hard for the win. I've always took my medicine, took what happened and just sucked it up and go to the next race."
And then of course, there is what Dale Earnhardt told Jeff Gordon once... "If they are booing you, you're doing something right." So going by that sentiment, and the fact that somebody is always whining about Jeff Gordon like you've been doing in this thread, Lee, he must be doing something right.
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Old 20 May 2003, 01:21 (Ref:604151)   #14
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That article doesn't show me what happened in the wreck, Tim.

And that's not what I was saying at all. Wrecking a guy is _never_ an acceptable way to make a pass. But if you go for the pass and he won't let you by, sometimes you have to beat on him. Likewise if some guy's trying to pass you, you might have to beat on him. That's just racing, and that's the kind of thing Stewart does and Dale did, without apology, that I respect.

Gordon spun out two cars Saturday night _just_ to get past, with cheap taps from behind. That's not racing, that's being cheap and lazy in your overtaking.

And yeah, the guy's got boatloads of talent, I'm still ****ed no CART team ever picked him up. But talent doesn't excuse cheap moves on the track.
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You can't say you never saw the end of the Bristol race in 1999, it is only one of the most famous confrontations in recent memory.

Terry Labonte spun out with about ten laps to go. I think Darrell Waltrip ran into him. After stopping for new tires during the caution, Labonte restarted at the back of the lead lap. On fresh rubber, Labonte picked through the traffic in a stunning charge to second, behind Earnhardt. Lap 499, Terry passed Dale for the lead. On the final lap, Dale bumped Terry in turn 2 and sent him spinning across the backstretch, taking out Terry and the rest of the lead lap cars except for Spencer, who was as usual too far behind to get caught in the mess. Earnhardt won, Spencer finished second. Dale said afterwards, "I was trying to rattle his cage a little."

I can't believe you missed that.
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