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Old 10 May 2019, 03:08 (Ref:3902893)   #2101
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I think the Interlagos WEC may be dead again after next year
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...20-rio-gp-move
There is no way they could build a new track in Rio in time to make a switch next year. I believe those guys are all liars. They clearly don't know how things are done.
F1 going to Rio wouldn't affect a 6h race at Interlagos that much, the track runs on a profit even without F1.
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Old 10 May 2019, 06:57 (Ref:3902905)   #2102
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GTE is a series?
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Old 10 May 2019, 11:47 (Ref:3902970)   #2103
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There is no way they could build a new track in Rio in time to make a switch next year. I believe those guys are all liars. They clearly don't know how things are done.
F1 going to Rio wouldn't affect a 6h race at Interlagos that much, the track runs on a profit even without F1.
The previous time this event was axed from WEC was caused by organisational disputes and money, was it not?
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Old 10 May 2019, 13:30 (Ref:3902996)   #2104
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The previous time this event was axed from WEC was caused by organisational disputes and money, was it not?
Pretty much — the underlying problem really was that the Brazilian economy was in a deep recession. Things have somewhat stabilized since then, but the country's economy still isn't firing on all cylinders. Judging by airline service patterns, Rio de Janerio has been particularly hard hit (down to only three daily flights to the U.S.).

The Brazilian government likes to use sports investment as an economic development strategy — they spent a ton of money building facilities for the World Cup and the Olympics. Building a new F1 track in general and in Rio in particular follows the pattern. And let's not forget that Interlagos isn't in the best of shape.

The real issue surrounding potential Brazilian WEC rounds after 2019/2020 might not be so much where it wound be held but rather the current rules uncertainty. Less manufacturer involvement in LMP1 and/or GTE means less money for the WEC while leaving the series less marketable. Brazil is an expensive trip. If the WEC is forced to shrink, Brazil might well be the first thing to be cut.
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Old 10 May 2019, 14:09 (Ref:3903004)   #2105
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The previous time this event was axed from WEC was caused by organisational disputes and money, was it not?
Fittipaldi paid the contractors about 10% of the agreed amount and had problems with ACO too. He is no longer involved with the event this time. So I think what TheMightyM said in his third paragraph applies.
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Old 10 May 2019, 15:41 (Ref:3903014)   #2106
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It might not be a bad thing, they don't really need South America, or most of Asia
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Old 5 Jun 2019, 11:44 (Ref:3908028)   #2107
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Toyota get back their one lap per stint advantage in range for Le Mans:

https://www.autosport.com/wec/news/1...Cz3EBf2Co5ZXGI

The ACO and FIA better not bring back the mandated stint lengths for GTE.
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Old 5 Jun 2019, 11:57 (Ref:3908030)   #2108
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Toyota get back their one lap per stint advantage in range for Le Mans:

https://www.autosport.com/wec/news/1...Cz3EBf2Co5ZXGI

The ACO and FIA better not bring back the mandated stint lengths for GTE.
Grim.

Here is the supplementary regs extract from 2018 (can't find 2019):
"In terms of stint length, in any case, the maximum number of ‘green’ laps (without safety car, slow zone(s) and not depending on track conditions) should not exceed 11 laps for LMP1H and 10 laps for LMP1NH in Le Mans 2018 race"

I am going to assume 'track conditions' includes a declaration of a wet track and immediately start doing a rain dance.
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Old 5 Jun 2019, 12:22 (Ref:3908031)   #2109
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Toyota get back their one lap per stint advantage in range for Le Mans:

https://www.autosport.com/wec/news/1...Cz3EBf2Co5ZXGI

The ACO and FIA better not bring back the mandated stint lengths for GTE.
HAHAHAHAH

The single worst thing about last year is back baby. All through the winter I've been saying "unless Toyota wants it back for the single race that actually matters" and here we are then. What a joke. And not only does it make mockery of the FIA-ACO agenda for "we've done everything we can" but of Toyota itself considering what they've been saying about wanting closer competition. Just as with success ballast, they're fine with all sorts of stuff for the "whatever" races, but not for LM. It's also funny how they are in a position of deciding and VETOing everything what is to be done, instead of the organizing body.

Oh well. Absurd penalties it is again then for teams accidentally doing better mileage than ordered and micro management mandated

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Old 5 Jun 2019, 13:48 (Ref:3908051)   #2110
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I have the same problem with F1 and why the status quo has been preserved there. The teams have too much power in F1, when the FIA should be in charge.

Same issue here. OEMs/factory teams have too much power in LMP1, even when Audi and Porsche were around, especially from 2014 on. That's why the privateers got stiffed in the first place.

That's part of the reason I'm gravitating more towards GTE, where it seems that the stint length rule has been abolished. That, and the GTE and even most GT3 cars now remind me of JGTC/Super GT cars when they still ran production unit body chassis, especially the 1999-2002 GT500s.

Also gives meat to a Porsche Motorsport rep's statement from 2017 that said that LM is all that matters and the rest of the WEC is largely irrelevant.
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Old 5 Jun 2019, 15:02 (Ref:3908076)   #2111
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And not only does it make mockery of the FIA-ACO agenda for "we've done everything we can" but of Toyota itself considering what they've been saying about wanting closer competition.
"We want closer competition as long as we still win at the end."

The best result for Toyota would be to win after a race-long batlle with a privateer that finished only a few seconds behind.
The worst result for Toyota would be to finish a few seconds behind a privateer.

The best way to "guarantee" success / to make winning the most likely outcome is to have a massive advantage.
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Old 5 Jun 2019, 15:06 (Ref:3908078)   #2112
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LM is all that matters and the rest of the WEC is largely irrelevant.
I think for a Manufacturer's point of view there are 2 things that are important: Le Mans and the final championship.
All other races are a means to get closer to that second goal but not really inmportant on their own.
(And winning Le Mans just happens to have a massive impact on that championship too)

I can probably name all Le Mans winning manufactureres of the last few year, and the championship winning manufacturers if I give it a try, but I can probably not even name 1 single other race winner.
(Apart from Spa 2019 because that was only yesterday)
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Sweet. Mandated stint lengths. Those were great last year because everyone was so sure that it wasn't a real rule and they'd never enforce it. Until they did.

Maximum stint lengths is nothing more than incompetence in developing a BoP. SRO does it, and whilst it absolutely sucks in SRO events as well, it's at least more understandable - they have a lot of cars to balance, and don't really have a 'rule book' like other series do. ACO has 2 classes to balance, and still can't do it properly.

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I think for a Manufacturer's point of view there are 2 things that are important: Le Mans and the final championship.
I say, le Mans Only.

"World Championship"? There are tons of those. I am sure there is a Frisbee World Championship, and even moerre sure of Ultimate frisbee (my computer is too far from Google so I can't check right now.)

Le Mans, though ... even people who could not care less about "world championship" (it is like the "JD Powers Award" American car companies tout---to all but insiders, it could be the "Kermit the Frog Award,") know what Le Mans means---it is the pinnacle of racing achievement. I am pretty sure if people (except in the US) only know one race it it Le Mans (Indy in the US.)

I think that is why FIA-ACO makes its deals and its stupid rules and had been getting away from it---FIA-ACO Knows it has the prime real estate.

Except, VAG started looking at budgets and RoI and decided, the people who care about racing know that Audi is a force in GT3 and Porsche is big in GTE---and the rest of the people buy because they want to impress their neighbors, and the racing stuff no longer really matters. People buying sedans and SUVs don't care about racing .... so a Le Mans win no longer pays off, at least not like it used to.

Basically, the bean-counters studied sales trends and compared them to racing results, saw no correlation, and said, "Sorry, racing is no longer effective promotion." So VAG Might be back ... but only if it can do the job for a lot less.

I guess other manufacturers have done the same math---building some super-exotic "hypercar" which likely won't move the sales needle but will cost a ton to design, build, prep, and race .... what for?
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Old 5 Jun 2019, 18:21 (Ref:3908123)   #2115
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http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...published.html

"No significant changes from Test Day"

"-- Again no surprise as the arrangement to do so was clearly telegraphed last year"

?????????? What's that supposed to mean, in one of the more recent Pruett podcasts Graham even said he highly hoped for this artificial stint gap nonsense not to return again. Plus when the abandonment was done last year, nowhere in the DSC article was it hinted that it was due to return
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2018/1...-for-fuji.html

And how is this mandating/penalizing not the headliner of the article, as the other EoT values are clearly trivial in comparison to this
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