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Old 14 May 2019, 23:59 (Ref:3903819)   #181
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They do get a joker upgrade, but it doesn't seem like that's happened. And if it did it made no difference to their performance vs the Oreca.
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Old 15 May 2019, 06:14 (Ref:3903848)   #182
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They do get a joker upgrade, but it doesn't seem like that's happened. And if it did it made no difference to their performance vs the Oreca.
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2017/1...-upgrades.html
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Old 17 May 2019, 21:35 (Ref:3904418)   #183
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http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...programme.html

https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/...-2020/4390161/
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Old 18 May 2019, 06:42 (Ref:3904458)   #184
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Dragonspeed to withdraw from LMP1. Not a huge surprise after the season they have had.

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Old 18 May 2019, 08:19 (Ref:3904476)   #185
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The response of Oreca was a bit of a joke. Two years latter, even with the upgrade, the Dallara and the Ligier have not match the performance of the Oreca !
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Dragonspeed to withdraw from LMP1. Not a huge surprise after the season they have had.

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and the total lack of any long term vision for the top class...
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Old 18 May 2019, 10:12 (Ref:3904488)   #187
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and the total lack of any long term vision for the top class...
That too. There was a rather pointed reference to the stable formula in Indycar. Easily done with a spec formula, of course, but still relevant to teams trying to plan ahead.
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Old 18 May 2019, 10:58 (Ref:3904492)   #188
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and the total lack of any long term vision for the top class...
Except the fact that they could run this car for at least two more seasons guaranteed, maybe even more. So that's not true.

They're just not up to snuff for LMP1. That's fine, it was a ballsy move to try and I'm glad they were there propping up the numbers.
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Old 18 May 2019, 13:13 (Ref:3904505)   #189
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Except the fact that they could run this car for at least two more seasons guaranteed, maybe even more. So that's not true.

They're just not up to snuff for LMP1. That's fine, it was a ballsy move to try and I'm glad they were there propping up the numbers.
Are we guaranteed the current LMP1ís in the 2020-21 season?
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Except the fact that they could run this car for at least two more seasons guaranteed, maybe even more. So that's not true.

They're just not up to snuff for LMP1. That's fine, it was a ballsy move to try and I'm glad they were there propping up the numbers.
Bit harsh Apex - not sure if you've ever seen the car run or spoken to any of the team?

Yes they have struggled to get on top of the car and extract the maximum from it. But remember their original chassis was destroyed and driver seriously injured, on its debut last year. I think ever since then it's been a bit of an uphill battle for them, but the car has shown flashes of decent pace with van der Zande in particular. Shame they couldnt stick it out but I think their explanation is pretty clear - more bang per buck (for them) in Indycar versus WEC P1.

I for one will miss them from the P1 pitlane - a really friendly bunch of guys.
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Old 18 May 2019, 15:04 (Ref:3904517)   #191
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Are we guaranteed the current LMP1ís in the 2020-21 season?
Yes. That's one of the reasons SMP Racing is continueing.
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Old 18 May 2019, 15:06 (Ref:3904518)   #192
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Bit harsh Apex - not sure if you've ever seen the car run or spoken to any of the team?
No, but I don't need to. They might be a friendly bunch of guys, but with a Bronze driver they were never going to get anywhere. Plus they never really seemed to understand the level of LMP1 competition. I wish them all the best in Indycar which they seem to fit in very well And I will reiterate, I applaud them for taking the big step to try LMP1 in the first place. That takes guts!

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“With the kind of competition you get from 19 regular LMP2 entries, we take pride in the fact that the last two ELMS victories with a Bronze driver, in 2016 and 2019, have been ours.”

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Old 18 May 2019, 16:32 (Ref:3904530)   #193
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Sad for the LMP1s, the car had potential when it was driven by fast drivers, I will miss that car, but I think it was an error from Hedman to drive at WEC. He should drive at IMSA where the team can recover laps and position with their rules. But, now P2 are slower than before. However, bad news.
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Sad for the LMP1s, the car had potential when it was driven by fast drivers, I will miss that car, but I think it was an error from Hedman to drive at WEC. He should drive at IMSA where the team can recover laps and position with their rules. But, now P2 are slower than before. However, bad news.
I guess I'm indifferent to them leaving. Ask me last year and I would have been sad, but now to me it's not even a big deal. They were never going to win with their philosophy (especially on the driver front). The effort looked like it was always iffy depending on the other programs they run as well. Rather they go and race where they feel competitive instead of taking up a spot where they're tying to punch above their weight. Maybe someone will pick up their lmp1 car?
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Well I'm sad to see a P1 team leave, but indeed what did they expect with Hedman in the car?

Indycar may be suited to them, but then they don't put Hedman but Hanley in that car.
Maybe LMP1 would be fine if they had Hanley- Van der Zande - a third driver like these 2.
Then again, without Hedman they probably wouldn't have been there anyway.
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