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Old 6 May 2019, 21:56 (Ref:3902365)   #1
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Difficulties for Wakefield Park?

It seems that Wakefield has been dealing with the local council over resident issues with noise and other matters.

Now heading to court according to this article.

Sounds like the usual problem with noise complaints when residential areas move closer to racing facilities but I wonder what the other concerns are and how much they may impact on the track?
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Old 6 May 2019, 21:59 (Ref:3902366)   #2
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It's one particular councillor, and unfortunately the council has sided with him.
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Old 7 May 2019, 20:35 (Ref:3902506)   #3
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Lets destroy a tourist attraction. I think this mob have been talking to Benalla Rural City Council, they tried to destroy Winton, interesting both tracks are owned by the Benalla Auto Club and both tracks are well out of town
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Old 8 May 2019, 07:07 (Ref:3902555)   #4
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Noise at WP has been an issue for many years so nothing new about that. The track activity can be heard in Goulburn if the wind is blowing the right way.
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Old 8 May 2019, 10:19 (Ref:3902593)   #5
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We need Agents of Change legislation to stop this kind of crap.

Like when developers build apartment blocks near live music venues and apartment owners successfully lobby for them to have limits imposed or worse, be closed.
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Old 8 May 2019, 10:21 (Ref:3902595)   #6
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I do track days with the MX5 Club a couple of times a year. Every time we're there we have around 80 drivers plus partners all looking for accommodation, food and fuel in Goulburn. I can only imagine a professional race weekend would bring even more people to the area.

Destroying such an important source of revenue for the local economy is sheer lunacy. I'd be very worried if I was a motel or restaurant owner in town right now.
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Old 8 May 2019, 21:04 (Ref:3902700)   #7
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I remember when in 2005 Winton didn't have a round of the V8's, the local business owners went nuts, they had budgeted for that income

Sometimes councils are their own worst enemy, instead of looking at the big picture they kowtow to minorities or even individuals

Send it to VCAT (or the NSW equivalent) and see what happens
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Old 8 May 2019, 21:07 (Ref:3902701)   #8
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Noise at WP has been an issue for many years so nothing new about that. The track activity can be heard in Goulburn if the wind is blowing the right way.
if the track meets the planning requirement then tough titties. Winton has a 95dba on it set by local council (and they check it randomly), the only exception is historic racing

Winton had a number of protagonists over planning and noise, the protagonists never won but cost themselves, the local Council and BAC a lot of money, it looks like BAC might have to do it all again but this time in NSW
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Old 9 May 2019, 01:56 (Ref:3902715)   #9
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if the track meets the planning requirement then tough titties.
Time will tell but the track has taken sound mitigation steps already which will be used to say that yes, there is a problem and by taking action admitted it. Some people obviously think the action taken is not enough hence the court case but I doubt its future is threatened though the terms of use might change. It is a little known fact that WP has had for as long as I have known it a curfew for noise reasons as well.
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Old 9 May 2019, 02:18 (Ref:3902716)   #10
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Interestingly Winton has a time curfew on it as well as a noise restriction HOWEVER they can run a 24 hour event if they use the short track (by bypassing the extension that was added), the time restriction was only for the new part - Benalla Rural City Council weren't that smart back then hahahaha
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Old 9 May 2019, 10:37 (Ref:3902768)   #11
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Noise at WP has been an issue for many years so nothing new about that. The track activity can be heard in Goulburn if the wind is blowing the right way.
Why not build a large sound barrier mound and/or wall encircling the track?



Supercars should really return to the track too, as a way to give back to motorsports, instead of just taking and taking.

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Like when developers build apartment blocks near live music venues and apartment owners successfully lobby for them to have limits imposed or worse, be closed.
A properly designed live music venue should be able to trap nearly all of the noise inside....

For example, simply putting the music venue in the basement will largely do the trick, then a little acousic treatment to fix the (horrible sound) of being surrounded by hard walls and all sorted.
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Noise at WP has been an issue for many years so nothing new about that. The track activity can be heard in Goulburn if the wind is blowing the right way.
I can hear SMP any day they are running where I am not upwind, more than 10km away

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Pits couldnt handle the circus
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Old 9 May 2019, 18:57 (Ref:3902848)   #13
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the track (from when I last heard) was quite profitable, why would they put that at risk by running a barely break-even Supercars event? The cost to promoters is huge and the return marginal

The only track where the track owner is the promoter is Winton, all other events are promoted by Supercars and it most cases propped up by (local, State or Federal) Government money

In case you missed it, Supercars makes it money from advertising, TV and sponsorship, they do NOT rely on money from the gate as probably Bathurst would be the only event where the gate is worthwhile
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Old 9 May 2019, 21:22 (Ref:3902867)   #14
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I remember when Paul was planning the build of the circuit, he tried to avoid this problem by buying the adjacent property(ies). I also seem to remember that this was not the first choice of location, Council knocked back his first choice due to noise concerns.
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kowtowing to minorities - local Governments just don't get it
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