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Old 21 Dec 2008, 17:24 (Ref:2359309)   #766
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I think take the best selling models, Pontiac G6, a few Buicks or what ever they are. Dump the poor selling models, Roll them up in to two car models, Chevy and Caddy.

Get rid of the Hummer name, roll them up and a few luxury badges and put the Caddy name on them.

Sell Saab, with out the Opal platforms and Opal engines, would Saab even survive? Or change Saab to the Opal name for the European Market.

Keep Saturn as a low end budget model which it is.

Holden and Dawoo are for Asian & Ozzy markets. Dawoo is mostly GM is it not? Or change the Dawoo name to Chevy as well for more brand awarness. Introduce Dawoo / Chevy into the India ( if it isnt already there)

Turn the GMC brand into the LARGER truck line. Keep all the pickups under the Chevy name.
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Old 21 Dec 2008, 17:35 (Ref:2359320)   #767
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NOt sure their would be many buyers for saab - most of the model line up is pretty poor these days maybe a chinese manufacturer could be interested i suppose.

Opel / Vauxhall are very profitable and build some very good cars - pity the US arm will likely drag them under too. All the ex-Daewoo models have been renamed Chevrolets in the euro-zone.....another decision that does Chevvy no favours in terms of brand image...(does it have any left in europe?)

Corvette needs to cut its prices here, the doubling in price between the US and Europe is a joke - the cars may be good, but you double the price and they are up against some very stiff competition. Vettes may be quicker but they do not have the quality of a Jag XKR, Vantage GT2, 911 etc.....and they are left hand drive still so nothing more than a niche bit player....
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Old 21 Dec 2008, 17:50 (Ref:2359325)   #768
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Then Saab should die.

What does a Corvette C6 or Z06 sell for in most of Europe? MSRP not discounted or what you can purchase for.

are the Opel / Vauxhall cars good quality cars? If so maybe some should be imported to the US. or copied and built here under the Chevy badge.

the Dawoo Chevy badged cars s*ck is what your saying? LOL why am I not suppreised
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Old 21 Dec 2008, 18:06 (Ref:2359331)   #769
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C6 = 39,999 or $60,000 approx
Z06 = 62,100 or $93,000 approx

Very good value in the second hand market and i may try and get one in 4-5 years....

The Vauxhall / Opel mainstream cars are very good, good quality for the money, as they tend to be cheaper than VW, Seat, Skoda but more expensive than Renault, Citroen etc....very strong car line up. The new Insignia is a very good looking car, the Corsa is one of the best super-minis you can buy...especially in VXR form

I believe Ford is going to bring more of the euro cars across to the US as the Mondeo is an awesome bit of kit for the money these days. GM should do the same.

Yeah the Daewoo cars suck big time - cheap and cheerful so that was fine while they were branded daewoo. But with the rebranding to Chevvy people expect a little bit more----though it should be noted that US car brands are not looked at favourably here due to a lack of quality but are still expected to be better than korean cars!
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Old 21 Dec 2008, 18:08 (Ref:2359332)   #770
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C6 starts at about 65000€ list price. Z06 about 88000€

Aren't some Opels already imported? I think the Astra is sold as a Saturn.
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Old 21 Dec 2008, 19:21 (Ref:2359356)   #771
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Most of the Saturns are either Euro models or based on them.
Astra=Astra
Aura=Insignia
Sky= Opel GT
Vue=Antara

That only leaves the Outlook in the Saturn range.




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Old 21 Dec 2008, 19:30 (Ref:2359362)   #772
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Isn't the Aura more like the old Vectra that the Insignia replaced?
And I think it's the other way around with the Sky/GT...made in the US and imported to Europe.
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Old 21 Dec 2008, 19:42 (Ref:2359367)   #773
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Yeah the Daewoo cars suck big time - cheap and cheerful so that was fine while they were branded daewoo. But with the rebranding to Chevvy people expect a little bit more----though it should be noted that US car brands are not looked at favourably here due to a lack of quality but are still expected to be better than korean cars!
Opel Antara is in reality a Chevrolet Captiva. The new Astra will be built on the same platform as the Chevrolet Cruze.
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Old 21 Dec 2008, 19:58 (Ref:2359371)   #774
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Isn't the Aura more like the old Vectra that the Insignia replaced?
And I think it's the other way around with the Sky/GT...made in the US and imported to Europe.
Sorry, yes. The Aura will not follow suit until 2010, if Saturn survives. Here
The Sky is exported and badged Opel GT. I was just comparing the two ranges, as Opel is the closest to the entire Saturn range. Pardon my generality!



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Old 21 Dec 2008, 20:58 (Ref:2359399)   #775
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are most of the Saturns here in the US imported? Never paid much attention to the Saturn brand.

Just came back from a drive with the family. Saw two slightly used C6Z06s ( 2008) on used car lots. Did not catch the price but each had a sign that said $10,000 OFF - Lets talk . ..

Wife asked if I wanted one? NOT, I have too much going on
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Old 22 Dec 2008, 01:58 (Ref:2359490)   #776
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Between them, Caddy and Chebby - as North American brands - cover every niche of the consumer automotive market. If another division currently has a successful model, then absorb it into one of those brands. There is no reason to keep alive Pontiac (et. al.) bloated, top heavy, structure of managers, designers, plants, dealers, parts suppliers, marketing and advertising.

Without even getting to the labor issues, it's been clear (at least from outside) for years that Alfred P. Sloan's multiple brand aspirational ladder model was an expensive relic. Only in-bred GM management can't see that.

You can't keep a corporation afloat by alway finding some excuse to keep the past alive - one of the latest being...but, ,but, but..."Buick is our best-selling brand in China...and sun-belt retirement communities."
That is the same thinking Roger Smith had, when he implemented standardization; within two years GM lost over 20 percent market share in the eighties.
Smith was finally fired but then he got his multi-million dollar being fired package and did not give damn.
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Saturn is basically the american version of Opel/Vauxhall/Holden. The new Opel Gt is a rebadged Saturn!
Just to clarify, the Holden's that are imported are sold as Pontiacs.

I agree GM must lose some brands, but find it odd they are chosing Buick to save. A Buick hasn't sold well in the US since the LeSabre 10+ years ago and the Buicks they sell in China aren't even the same cars they sell here. The brands I personally feel they have turned around and are selling some nice product recently are Saturn and Pontiac. GMC is redundant, why not axe them too? I don't know... maybe I'm just a Pontiac fan in denial.
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are most of the Saturns here in the US imported? Never paid much attention to the Saturn brand.
Surprisingly, although they're nearly all Opel designs, they're all built in the US.
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I believe Ford is going to bring more of the euro cars across to the US as the Mondeo is an awesome bit of kit for the money these days. GM should do the same.
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The Mondeo was built in the USA, both as a Ford, and a Mercury model.
Kansas City plant.
The Focus is sold in the US, as a Focus. Can't remember where they make it.
It seems to be sold mainly at first car buyers. 16th/17th birthday present sort of thing.

Vauxhall are little more than the current Opel range, with a Griffon badge stuck on. Excepting the Monaros from Holden in Aus, of course.
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Old 22 Dec 2008, 10:39 (Ref:2359634)   #780
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The Mondeo has not been sold in US since 2000. The Focus currently sold in the US is different then the international version. Ford will be bringing in the new generations of the international Focus and Fiesta to the US.
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