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Old 28 Nov 2019, 21:30 (Ref:3943480)   #46
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The quality of the Intercontinental GT Challenge races.


Iím not sure anyone would think youíre a race fan let alone a IGTC fan from the tone of your comments
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Old 28 Nov 2019, 23:01 (Ref:3943503)   #47
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Iím not sure anyone would think youíre a race fan let alone a IGTC fan from the tone of your comments
You never saw me writing a negative comment about IGTC.
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Old 29 Nov 2019, 10:16 (Ref:3943604)   #48
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I agree strongly that FCY to SC is a pain, but as someone who has marshalled the Spa 24 the last 2 years (Radillion & Blanchimont respectively) there is no way we would have gone out on track (as quickly as we did) to deal with the big incidents we had at night if there was race neutralisation with a Safety Car.

Drivers never slow until they meet the safety car train, anyone pitting will be running at race pace until they catch up.

For genuine crashes - FCY every time.
FCY to SC is fine if a SC is needed. But restarting from FCY by means of a SC every time is silly.

However, and to wander off topic a bit, these rules are not yet as ridiculous as IMSA's SC procedures.
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Old 29 Nov 2019, 12:18 (Ref:3943635)   #49
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I think in some ways, the SRO system is worse. It doesn't do wave-arounds properly, so the class battles get destroyed. IMSA preserves the class battles.
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Old 29 Nov 2019, 15:29 (Ref:3943692)   #50
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Audi Sport is not pleased that in 2020 the Suzuka 10 Hours and Indianapolis 8 Hours will clash with ADAC GT Masters races.


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Old 2 Dec 2019, 17:39 (Ref:3944338)   #51
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Audi Sport is not pleased that in 2020 the Suzuka 10 Hours and Indianapolis 8 Hours will clash with ADAC GT Masters races.


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Being that SRO is responsible for British GT, Blancpain (or whatever it will be) Europe, Asia and America I doubt they are going to schedule IGT races against those series. With ELMS, ADAC GT Masters, WEC, IMSA, and all of the other series that run GT cars all over the world I don't think SRO can be expected to produce magical weekends with no conflicts all season. I would say the ADAC GT Masters races are likely easier to reschedule than these big endurance races. It's not like it's just Audi that is disadvantaged. Non German makers are the only ones not likely to be affected.
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Old 2 Dec 2019, 20:04 (Ref:3944370)   #52
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Audi Sport is not pleased that in 2020 the Suzuka 10 Hours and Indianapolis 8 Hours will clash with ADAC GT Masters races.
Even Jesus Christ did not please everyone. Audi Sport had plenty of resources and ten full-time GT drivers to manage the situation properly.
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Even Jesus Christ did not please everyone. Audi Sport had plenty of resources and ten full-time GT drivers to manage the situation properly.
12 full-time GT-Drivers...
http://gt-place.com/2019/12/02/audi-...2020-komplett/
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Old 3 Dec 2019, 09:21 (Ref:3944469)   #54
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The sports bigger then any manufacturer. Audi will just have to sort it out the best they can.

Big surprise to see Bortolotti switch from Lamborghini to Audi but with Grasser appearing to take a step back compared to FFF Racing maybe itís a good move.
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The sports bigger then any manufacturer. Audi will just have to sort it out the best they can.

Big surprise to see Bortolotti switch from Lamborghini to Audi but with Grasser appearing to take a step back compared to FFF Racing maybe itís a good move.
Grasser going to IMSA full time is no step back. Thought Bortolotti was a lock for one of those seats. Guess not now. Just a means that FFF and Grasser don't step on each other's toes. Since it looks like Lambo has two main teams now.
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Grasser going to IMSA full time is no step back. Thought Bortolotti was a lock for one of those seats. Guess not now. Just a means that FFF and Grasser don't step on each other's toes. Since it looks like Lambo has two main teams now.
I find it difficult to consider IMSA a step up from Blancpain Europe. Perhaps it's a lateral move at best to go from contesting the most difficult GT3 series on the planet, to running the lowest class of the second best mixed class endurance series. Not to mention the atmosphere and general exposure that is generated from road racing in Europe vs. America is on another level. Here IMSA coverage is sometimes live, sometimes not, on a channel you don't get with basic coverage. The average American vaguely knows some NASCAR drivers (Maybe not anymore as Stewart, Gordon, and Earnhardt are all retired) but have no idea who Felipe Nasir, Earl Bamber, or Romain Dumas are. At the track I would say that the atmosphere is not as good as a WEC race in Europe (I'll be able to compare to Blancpain next Sept. in Nurburgring).
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I find it difficult to consider IMSA a step up from Blancpain Europe. Perhaps it's a lateral move at best to go from contesting the most difficult GT3 series on the planet, to running the lowest class of the second best mixed class endurance series. Not to mention the atmosphere and general exposure that is generated from road racing in Europe vs. America is on another level. Here IMSA coverage is sometimes live, sometimes not, on a channel you don't get with basic coverage. The average American vaguely knows some NASCAR drivers (Maybe not anymore as Stewart, Gordon, and Earnhardt are all retired) but have no idea who Felipe Nasir, Earl Bamber, or Romain Dumas are. At the track I would say that the atmosphere is not as good as a WEC race in Europe (I'll be able to compare to Blancpain next Sept. in Nurburgring).
You're significantly overestimating the impact of GT racing here in Europe! Outside of a few 24h classics (Le Mans, Spa, N'Ring) sportscar and GT races rarely get more than a few thousand spectators.

Here are the numbers for ADAC GT:

Oschersleben > 25.000
Most > 17.800
Red Bull Ring > 16.000
Zandvoort > 14.000
NŁrburgring > 18.000
Hockenheim > 18.000
Sachsenring > 25.000

And those are weekend numbers, so you have to divide those by two or three to get the number of the actual people who are at the track at any given time.

I don't have exact figures for Blancpain, but for the races that I have been to, I'd say that they are pulling similar if not slightly smaller crowds than ADAC.

There is a reason why European sportscar and GT teams have crossed the pond time and again
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You're significantly overestimating the impact of GT racing here in Europe! Outside of a few 24h classics (Le Mans, Spa, N'Ring) sportscar and GT races rarely get more than a few thousand spectators.

Here are the numbers for ADAC GT:

Oschersleben > 25.000
Most > 17.800
Red Bull Ring > 16.000
Zandvoort > 14.000
NŁrburgring > 18.000
Hockenheim > 18.000
Sachsenring > 25.000

And those are weekend numbers, so you have to divide those by two or three to get the number of the actual people who are at the track at any given time.

I don't have exact figures for Blancpain, but for the races that I have been to, I'd say that they are pulling similar if not slightly smaller crowds than ADAC.

There is a reason why European sportscar and GT teams have crossed the pond time and again
Fair enough, although I still think GTD barely gets any coverage on IMSA races as well. I still think it's a sad loss to European racing as they were a big supporter of many of the series I love to follow. I do follow IMSA as well, but I'm a GT fan and they don't really show much of the GT stuff (aside from VIR and Limerock). I think in general as a top team it would always be better to run in a series where you are in the spot light. However there is a reason I'm not running a team either so I'll defer to their expertise and decision making.
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Fair enough, although I still think GTD barely gets any coverage on IMSA races as well. I still think it's a sad loss to European racing as they were a big supporter of many of the series I love to follow. I do follow IMSA as well, but I'm a GT fan and they don't really show much of the GT stuff (aside from VIR and Limerock). I think in general as a top team it would always be better to run in a series where you are in the spot light. However there is a reason I'm not running a team either so I'll defer to their expertise and decision making.

GRT will still run three Huracan in ADAC GT Masters.
http://gt-place.com/2019/10/29/gottf...gramm-von-grt/
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I'm sure the stream, which is what I watch when it gets posted to YouTube, does a better job of covering GTD than the telecast. So I probably don't notice as much.

That said, I'll take the track selection in IMSA over pretty much any other GT3 series, aside from the IGTC. It doesn't hurt exposure either that GTD is returning to Long Beach in 2020.

Admittedly, I haven't made it to a European WEC round, but I can't say that I found the ALMS/IMSA races I've attended at Road America, Mid Ohio, Lime Rock, or VIR to be lacking in atmosphere or positive feeling. Unfortunately, yes, I didn't get as good a sense from the 2012 Glen 6-Hour under GA, or the 2014 IMSA race at Indy.
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