[BTCC] Round Two, Brands Hatch Indy 14-15 May, Races 4,5&6

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by hen henths

Yes and he might be improving (Back in the Subaru days he'd pick up as the year went on). He did well to get those results at Brands, considering where he qualified, and ended ahead of Cammish in the third race.

On the other hand, I'm sure the wet conditions favoured Ash

Ash said he drove most of the third race with his steering about 45 degrees out of alignment due to Chilton hitting him in the rear in the first couple of laps, but Chilton was ahead of him for the early part of the race so could it have happened in race 2, with insufficient time for repair?

I seriously doubt any Professional Touring car team.would send a car into a race with the steering wheel at 45 degrees- under any circumstances, also he is quoted as saying most of the race so either it happened in race 3 or if in race 2 it fixed itself for a proportion of race 3.....

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

I seriously doubt any Professional Touring car team.would send a car into a race with the steering wheel at 45 degrees- under any circumstances

I don't think that that is what the poster meant or wrote. It sounds as if it was crabbing and that he, therefore, had to compensate for that.

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

I don't think that that is what the poster meant or wrote. It sounds as if it was crabbing and that he, therefore, had to compensate for that.

My comments still apply No top team would send a car into the next race crabbing - not a chance and the likelihood of it fixing itself seems slim

[Millvi]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

My comments still apply No top team would send a car into the next race crabbing - not a chance

It appears Chilton caused quite a bit of damage this weekend.

https://twitter.com/creesy777/status/1526289010259378183?s=21&t=d4m3HFd8n4Tpc3hVvMlQVw

Some very unhappy drivers.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Millvi

It appears Chilton caused quite a bit of damage this weekend.

https://twitter.com/creesy777/status/1526289010259378183?s=21&t=d4m3HFd8n4Tpc3hVvMlQVw

Some very unhappy drivers.

Yeah, bit concerning from someone of Tom's experience...

Props to Crees for finishing the race after those hits! Shame for Hand who was on the verge of the top ten,

One of the Infinitis seems to spear in at the end without really slowing down.

[thetool]

If this incident had been at a corner you would have to say that Chilton was nowhere near alongside and should have backed out of it. However, on a straight and at the start of a race I have a lot less sympathy.

Both the Halfords Honda (believe it was Rowbottom) and whoever else was alongside him contributed to this incident by failing to accept they had both made poor starts and it might be better to cede a position or two than to end up in the wall.

[S griffin]

I don't see what Chilton did wrong either, he was just caught in the middle. I don't know where else he could go

I think it was just a combination of many cars fighting for the same piece of tarmac and some were keen to make a great start. I've seen worse moves by drivers tbh

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

the boost reduction for the Beamers can be put on hold

I watched the Donington races last night the Msport powered cars looked like Dragster down the straights from in car shots

[porsche962fan]

so after 2 rounds does Turkington - Hill have potential to become the new Turkington - Jordan battle ? they are both on equal points for now just 2 points behind Sutton

Bobby T makes Taylor Swift look like rubbish , just as Cook does to Plato or Tingram to Chilton


JST shapes up to be between Bobby T and Gamble

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

Bobby T makes Taylor Swift look like rubbish , just as Cook does to Plato or Tingram to Chilton

Taylor-Smith's had a pretty torrid time since he's been back. Of course, you can't expect much at HARD, but he's really being shown up by Thompson at the moment.

[touringlegend]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

so after 2 rounds does Turkington - Hill have potential to become the new Turkington - Jordan battle ? they are both on equal points for now just 2 points behind Sutton

Bobby T makes Taylor Swift look like rubbish , just as Cook does to Plato or Tingram to Chilton


JST shapes up to be between Bobby T and Gamble

If Hill can iron out the small mistakes then yes definitely.
Both him and Turkington are on level points but you’d say Hill has been the one more in view of the tv cameras etc whilst Turks has been plodding away showing his experience.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Or, maybe we have realised?

Really you're JP and Matt Neal and just rub each other up on t'forum rather than bumpers on t'track.

[3marinadrive]

Originally Posted by antnee

Having a flick through some of the driver's racing CVs - its surprising to see how many of the so-called young drivers have been on the grid for around 10 years.

Ollie Jackson 2011
Tom Ingram 2014
Dan Lloyd (1 off appearance in 2010)
Jake Hill 2013
Aiden Moffat 2013
Aron Taylor-Smith 2011
Adam Morgan 2012

Then the 'old guard'
Turkington 2002
Chilton 2002
Shedden 2006
Jelley 2008
Plato 1997

Not to be too pedantic - you're correct with Jake Hill making his debut in 2013 - but he did a one-off with Motorbase in the S2000 Jack Sears at Croft, then the final round of the year in the Exocet Audi S4.....

So only two race weekends in 2013....then nothing in 2014 or most of 2015, before the final round of 2015 at Brands GP in the Audi S3 taking over from Nic Hamilton.

So his first full season was 2016 in the Team Hard Avenisis - and other than stepping down mid-season in 2018 he has been in the series solidly since then.

So this year is his 6th full season.

All the others mentioned (except Lloyd who you've highlighted) have been in it more or less full time - I think Ollie took a year out in Ginetta G55 one year.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by 3marinadrive

All the others mentioned (except Lloyd who you've highlighted) have been in it more or less full time - I think Ollie took a year out in Ginetta G55 one year.

Yeah Ollie went to Supercup in 2015 after a highly successful year in the Proton

Surprised he's been in it as long as he has, think I saw something along the lines that he's done the 10th most races of any BTCC driver.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Yeah Ollie went to Supercup in 2015 after a highly successful year in the Proton

Surprised he's been in it as long as he has, think I saw something along the lines that he's done the 10th most races of any BTCC driver.

He's close, and will probably get into the top ten soon.
The most starts are:

Driver	Seasons	Starts
Matt Neal	1991–2020	716
Jason Plato	1997–2001, 2004–2019, 2021-	599
Rob Collard	2000–2019	487
Colin Turkington	2002–2009, 2013–	446
Tom Chilton	2002–2011, 2017–	390
Andrew Jordan	2008–2019, 2021	355
Gordon Shedden	2001, 2006–2017, 2021-	347
Mat Jackson	2001, 2007–2017	334
James Kaye	1986, 1988–1989, 1992–1996, 2000–2006, 2010, 2013	296
James Thompson	1994–2004, 2006, 2009, 2011	286

Ollie is on 269 starts currently.

[S griffin]

Wonder how long Ollie will go on for? Certainly he's been a great stalwart of the championship. Most starts doesn't mean much considering how many races there are in a season now. But it does show what a great loyal servant Ollie has been for the series, as well as a fine racing driver

[Matt K]

If I'm not wrong, Ollie Jackson isn't really a professional racing driver in a sense that he has his day job, which means BTCC is just a hobby for him. As long as he can finance his starts and he enjoys being there, he will be.
His is not a particularly illustrious career but he had some better seasons, especially 2020 was a good year for him.

[antnee]

You have to wonder how long Ollie will continue financing running in the back half of the grid. His 2020 season gave some good results with 2 wins and a further podium, but those results look a bit like an anomaly now - we know that Focus is a quick car.

[Millvi]

Originally Posted by antnee

You have to wonder how long Ollie will continue financing running in the back half of the grid. His 2020 season gave some good results with 2 wins and a further podium, but those results look a bit like an anomaly now - we know that Focus is a quick car.

Whenever he decides to step away from driving in the BTCC I think Ollie will make a great team manager, or a similar type role. He's very knowledgeable and really good to listen to when talking setups and race conditions.

I've spent some time in that side of the Motorbase garage this season and Ollie and his family clearly enjoy their race weekends and supporting him. Really nice family.

[Andrew Abbott]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

He's close, and will probably get into the top ten soon.
The most starts are:

Ollie is on 269 starts currently.

Some of your numbers are wildly out. You're 36 out on Plato alone.

A much more accurate list is here:

https://www.touringcars.net/database...hp?series=BTCC

Noting that the data is only from 1983 to present, but due to the races per season in the old days, the 'most starts' section is valid. There are only 280 races pre-1983.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by AndySpeed

Some of your numbers are wildly out. You're 36 out on Plato alone.

A much more accurate list is here:

https://www.touringcars.net/database...hp?series=BTCC

Noting that the data is only from 1983 to present, but due to the races per season in the old days, the 'most starts' section is valid. There are only 280 races pre-1983.

Forget how long Moffat's been doing it as well.

[antnee]

Originally Posted by AndySpeed

Some of your numbers are wildly out. You're 36 out on Plato alone.

A much more accurate list is here:

https://www.touringcars.net/database...hp?series=BTCC

Noting that the data is only from 1983 to present, but due to the races per season in the old days, the 'most starts' section is valid. There are only 280 races pre-1983.

Amazing to see the Shedden has started every race he has entered!

[Andrew Abbott]

Originally Posted by antnee

Amazing to see the Shedden has started every race he has entered!

Yes, and even when he has retired he has only retired without completing a lap on five occasions.

Anyway, enough of the anoraky statistics...!

[S griffin]

Usually it's down to luck whether you complete the first lap. But anyway moving on

[Alessio]

A bit of smart driving goes a long way too but, yes, no such thing as a successful first lap without a bit of luck.