VW Out of ICE Motorsport

Casper · 23 Nov 2019, 00:11 (Ref:3942237)

VW have announced their exit from any motor sport that uses an internal Combustion engine including the immediate cessation of the TCR program for the Mk8 Golf. Is this the kick start that will enable other manufacturers to do the same without putting their hand up to be the first?

https://www.motorsport.com/general/n...t-tcr/4601530/

TCR are might be a short lived series if other manufacturers decide to follow VW out the door and if that happens their will be a big vacuum to fill from somewhere. If they are serious about it it might start the big re-think that motor sport was always going to have to have presuming the ICE demise replaced by electric continues to gather momentum.

Umai Naa · 23 Nov 2019, 00:37 (Ref:3942245)

Audi and Cupra are still continuing with their TCR programs, out of the same facility, using the existing running gear.

Nothing stopping VW from going exclusively to ETCR. Cupra are in that, as are Hyundai, and Honda are said to be working on it.

gravin · 26 Nov 2019, 02:33 (Ref:3942857)

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Nothing stopping VW from going exclusively to ETCR. Cupra are in that.

Agree. Easy to follow the same model they used for TCR and transfer the drive line and tech across from Seat. The IDR tech could then filter across as a development program.

VW have signaled that they have an "e" mandate for future for some time now. Guessing they want to "clear the air" so to speak in regards to Diesel gate.

**GTRMagic** · 23 Nov 2019, 00:54 (Ref:3942247)

A shame. A V8Supercar version of an Arteon would have been awesome to see.

Casper · 23 Nov 2019, 01:07 (Ref:3942248)

It will be interesting to see where the other VW brands go & whether this is a VW only mandate or covers the whole corporation. It might be a case of having a different policy for each brand which would be a very cynical two faced policy. The Arteon was never going to be a super car in Oz, that is simply wishing for the impossible. It is a very minor model that sells in low double digits or close to it per month and most probably has not got a long life in Oz as the UP experience has shown.

Denosaur · 25 Nov 2019, 00:24 (Ref:3942637)

The fall out from Diesel-gate still ongoing....

rich07 · 25 Nov 2019, 01:15 (Ref:3942646)

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Originally Posted by Casper

It will be interesting to see where the other VW brands go & whether this is a VW only mandate or covers the whole corporation. It might be a case of having a different policy for each brand which would be a very cynical two faced policy. The Arteon was never going to be a super car in Oz, that is simply wishing for the impossible. It is a very minor model that sells in low double digits or close to it per month and most probably has not got a long life in Oz as the UP experience has shown.

It’s VW only.

No way is it going to be a VAG edict as too much money is made out of Porsche/Audi/Lambo one make and Gt Racing cars.

Forda · 25 Nov 2019, 01:27 (Ref:3942650)

Other than being somewhat premature, this was inevitable as VW did make it clear around a year ago their next ICE program would be their last.

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A shame. A V8Supercar version of an Arteon would have been awesome to see.

There's a reason why no new manufacturers have entered into Supercars...

rich07 · 25 Nov 2019, 02:46 (Ref:3942671)

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There's a reason why no new manufacturers have entered into Supercars...

There’s multiple reasons why no one new has signed up...

Umai Naa · 25 Nov 2019, 02:55 (Ref:3942672)

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There’s multiple reasons why no one new has signed up...

No mate, "It's coz of Scotty and the mighty Mustang!"

Forda · 25 Nov 2019, 03:05 (Ref:3942675)

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There’s multiple reasons why no one new has signed up...

Exactly.

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No mate, "It's coz of Scotty and the mighty Mustang!"

From headmaster to class clown, the charade continues.

Just Do It! · 26 Nov 2019, 23:55 (Ref:3943091)

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Exactly.

From headmaster to class clown, the charade continues.

Odd, given that Daihatsu don't compete in Supercars

Umai Naa · 31 Jan 2020, 11:40 (Ref:3954729)

Meanwhile, VW are set to launch the e-Golf TCR car very shortly.

One speculates whether existing Golf TCR chassis can be electrified retroactively.

**Woolley** · 31 Jan 2020, 13:36 (Ref:3954769)

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Meanwhile, VW are set to launch the e-Golf TCR car very shortly.

One speculates whether existing Golf TCR chassis can be electrified retroactively.

VW/Audi have stated they intend to have electric versions of the entire fleet. although 'intend' and 'will' may not be the same thing. That may be a reaction to having been caught cheating diesels.

Casper · 2 Feb 2020, 00:20 (Ref:3955162)

None of the manufacturers have any choice in introducing electric vehicles because the new fleet averaging for emissions gives them no choice in the matter and they have deadlines to meet. The punitive fines are huge and not to even be considered by any manufacturer so deadlines will be met.

A lot of people think the electrification of the new car fleet is a trendy thing thought up by the OEM's where in fact they are being faced with huge punishment by the legislators if they don't comply to targets set.

V8 Fireworks · 3 Feb 2020, 07:56 (Ref:3955415)

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Originally Posted by Casper

None of the manufacturers have any choice in introducing electric vehicles because the new fleet averaging for emissions gives them no choice in the matter and they have deadlines to meet. The punitive fines are huge and not to even be considered by any manufacturer so deadlines will be met.

A lot of people think the electrification of the new car fleet is a trendy thing thought up by the OEM's where in fact they are being faced with huge punishment by the legislators if they don't comply to targets set.

The fleet average required isn't zero. It's 95 g CO2/km which could easily be met by **exclusively** selling vehicles with an engine capacity of no more than 900cc. No hybrid needed, no EV needed.

It's the selfishness of some customers still wanting polluting large engines for their personal vehicles that causes the pickle and creates the "need" to balance out polluting vehicles with low and zero emissions ones.

Casper · 3 Feb 2020, 10:10 (Ref:3955431)

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Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

The fleet average required isn't zero. It's 95 g CO2/km which could easily be met by **exclusively** selling vehicles with an engine capacity of no more than 900cc. No hybrid needed, no EV needed.

It's the selfishness of some customers still wanting polluting large engines for their personal vehicles that causes the pickle and creates the "need" to balance out polluting vehicles with low and zero emissions ones.

Of course it isn't zero it is a fleet AVERAGE. My point was not that at all it was that the legislators are forcing the OEM's to go to electric to reduce the fleet average and not as most people seem to think doing it of their own volition. If they don't do it the fines would break the biggest car maker in the world. Most of the world think VW are doing this to hide the diesel scandal but that is not so, they are literally being forced into it or commit business suicide.

How would you like to tow a caravan with 900cc?

Umai Naa · 3 Feb 2020, 14:34 (Ref:3955475)

Less caravans on the road is a good thing.

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