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Old 23 Nov 2019, 13:02 (Ref:3942326)   #1
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Retro Silly Season

I've been reading the 'Almost Moves' thread on Autosport Forum and I found some interesting things.

But still I have some questions about some possible driver transfers:

1, Barrichello had an offer in 1992 from an F1 team.
Does anyone know which was that? And also what teams he talked to about a potential debut for 1993?
(I know about Tyrrell, and obviously Jordan)

2, What was Modena's other options for 1992?

3, Did Mauricio Gugelmin ever had a chance to move to a top team, and what other offers he had in 1992 instead of Jordan?

4, Eddie Irvine was interesting for many F1 teams at the end of 1993. One was Jordan. But which were the others?
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Old 23 Nov 2019, 13:43 (Ref:3942335)   #2
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This is a thread that could be very interesting
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Old 23 Nov 2019, 13:51 (Ref:3942337)   #3
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But to not jusk ask here's some i came across:
1, Ivan Capelli, after he gave his seat to the pay driver Wendlinger at March, was mentioned to replace Gianni Morbidelli at Minardi, because the italian left to replace the sacked Prost.

2, Also Capelli got an offer from Briatore to replace the injured Nannini at Benetton

3, Prost was in talks with Jordan for 1992 seat

4, Erik Comas and Bertrand Gachot were a candidate to replace Hakkinen at Lotus.

5, Pierluigi Martini was in line for March in 1993.

6, Hill got a two-year offer from Ligier for 1993, but instead choosed to wait if he can have a chance at Williams.
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Old 23 Nov 2019, 13:55 (Ref:3942338)   #4
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Martin Brundle was offered a Lotus seat for 1985
Arnoux was also a possibility for Lotus in 1983 when they had Renault engines
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Old 23 Nov 2019, 14:00 (Ref:3942339)   #5
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Capelli and Cheever were on the initial 1986 entry list for Osella and Tyrrell respectively, before the seats went to Ghinzani and Streiff
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Old 23 Nov 2019, 14:10 (Ref:3942340)   #6
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Cheever was also linked with Benetton.
And If Streiff couldn't have the Tyrrell seat he would be at Minardi. Rothengatter and Dumfries were linked with Tyrrell as well.
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Old 23 Nov 2019, 14:11 (Ref:3942341)   #7
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And if Alfa Romeo stayed the would ran Nannini
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Old 23 Nov 2019, 14:22 (Ref:3942343)   #8
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Welcome to the forum.

In 93(?) Ron Denis apparently offered Schumi and seat.
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Old 23 Nov 2019, 14:34 (Ref:3942348)   #9
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Schumi had a contract to Sauber as well for 1993.
And Mr Benetton said at the begin of '92 that Prost comes to his team, Schumacher moves to Ferrari to replace Alesi and the frenchman is moving to Jordan.
I think that Dennis talk was for a '94 seat.

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Brundle actually signed a contract with Williams for 93, before Frank decided instead to go with Hill. Just imagine how different it would have been with Martin in a Williams and Damon in a Ligier
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Old 23 Nov 2019, 14:40 (Ref:3942351)   #11
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But I belive they signed something with Hakkinen as well. But because they were late on the entry and they needed every team to accept a petition or something that they can race in the season. And Lotus boss Peter Collins said he only accept it if they don't race Hakkinen.
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Old 23 Nov 2019, 14:45 (Ref:3942353)   #12
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But what would be if Mansell decides not to return in 1991 from his retirement?
Boutsen could have stayed. But I read an interview on GrandPrix.com with Ivan Capelli where he says he has talks with Frank Williams. Or maybe a comeback for Piquet?
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Old 23 Nov 2019, 15:47 (Ref:3942369)   #13
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Doubt they would have kept Boutsen, he was never really felt part of the team. Williams really wanted a number 1 driver in the team again, which is why they caved in to Mansell’s demands. I think they were rumours of Senna going there. Of course they did have an option on Alesi, before Jean decided to go with Ferrari. That was after Nannini was announced as a Ferrari driver, before contract talks broke down
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Nannini was about to sign for Ferrari but he wanted a two-year contract and Ferrari was only willing to give him one. So he signed with Benetton. And that was the moment when they approached Alesi who was signed by Williams.
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Old 23 Nov 2019, 15:56 (Ref:3942372)   #15
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Other candidates for Ferrari seat was Capelli and Modena
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Old 23 Nov 2019, 16:14 (Ref:3942382)   #16
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Talking about Boutsen, his options for 1991 was:
Brabham,Ligier,Arrows/Footwork,Larrousse Lola
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Old 23 Nov 2019, 16:40 (Ref:3942385)   #17
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Christian Fittipaldi had an offer for 1995 but he rejected it to race in IndyCars.
He has been mentioned to Mclaren before and was talking with Sauber and Tyrrell.
He could have achieved much more in F1
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Old 23 Nov 2019, 20:48 (Ref:3942415)   #18
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There’s been a few who haven’t raced in F1 who have come close to doing that

Rob Wilson almost got a Tyrrell drive in the 81 Belgian GP, depending on whether or not Alboreto could get sponsorship for the drive. He did, so Wilson missed out

John Nielsen missed out on a Tyrrell drive in 85 replacing the late Stefan Belloff due to lack of funding

Marco Greco was supposed to drive for Eurobrun in 1990, but missed out

Dave Coyne was a strong contender to replace the imprisoned Gachot at Jordan for the 1991 Belgian GP (as was Stefan Johansson), but EJ was convinced by Merc to take Schumi

Giuseppe Bugatti was going to drive for Fondmetal at the 92 Portuguese GP, but the team pulled out of F1

Finally Pacific tried to get their test driver Oliver Gavin into a race seat for the 1995 Australian GP, but was refused a superlicence despite being British F3 champion. Yet the FIA had no problem with the same team earlier running Giovanni Lavaggi and Jean-Denis Deletraz, both drivers with more money than talent. Go figure...
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There’s been a few who haven’t raced in F1 who have come close to doing that.......

Finally Pacific tried to get their test driver Oliver Gavin into a race seat for the 1995 Australian GP, but was refused a superlicence despite being British F3 champion. Yet the FIA had no problem with the same team earlier running Giovanni Lavaggi and Jean-Denis Deletraz, both drivers with more money than talent. Go figure...
I remember Paolo Carcasci being linked to a Pacific drive sometime around then too. And also there was a plan to run a Formula Nippon driver - Katsumi Yamamoto - in 1995 for one round that was scuppered by the superlicense rules.
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John Nielsen missed out on a Tyrrell drive in 85 replacing the late Stefan Belloff due to lack of funding

Marco Greco was supposed to drive for Eurobrun in 1990, but missed out

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Thats interesting about Tyrrell. Does that mean Capelli and (I think) Streiff paid for their rides?

Greco lacked the one important thing, a Superlicence. He'd raced GP level 500cc motorbikes previously which presumably didnt have such a high level of required attainment for a top level licence.
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Thats interesting about Tyrrell. Does that mean Capelli and (I think) Streiff paid for their rides?

Greco lacked the one important thing, a Superlicence. He'd raced GP level 500cc motorbikes previously which presumably didnt have such a high level of required attainment for a top level licence.
I think John Bosch was in the frame as well. His Father had a stake in the team
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I think John Bosch was in the frame as well. His Father had a stake in the team
I doubt that. he'd only done Euro FF1600 with any success and sproadic F3 experience, I doubt he would have got a superlicence. I think his family owned the Barron F3 & F3000 team that ran Tyrrells briefly in the latter category.
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I doubt that. he'd only done Euro FF1600 with any success and sproadic F3 experience, I doubt he would have got a superlicence. I think his family owned the Barron F3 & F3000 team that ran Tyrrells briefly in the latter category.
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Bosch (despite the slightly unfortunate surname) was certainly well funded early on, even if he was a bot ordinary. Took his style of driving off to rallying didn't he?
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Also we can mention Jan Lammers. He missed a lot of good rides. Lotus,Tyrrell,Brabham,Renault,Ligier....
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Gabriele Tarquini had an offer from Lotus for 1991.
The seat eventually went to someone called Mika Hakkinen.
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