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Old 31 Aug 2022, 11:08 (Ref:4124376)   #526
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They use Toyotas wind tunnel because it is better than theirs, but that still isn’t the latest tech.

OT: interesting how things develop. McLaren started the whole simulator thing and now that means they are behind.
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They use Toyotas wind tunnel because it is better than theirs, but that still isn’t the latest tech.

OT: interesting how things develop. McLaren started the whole simulator thing and now that means they are behind.
The Mercedes one is also not that up to date compared to some rivals.
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Guess De Vries to Toyota next year is highly unlikely now
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Guess De Vries to Toyota next year is highly unlikely now
Kind of wild how he could have up to four contract offers next year - 2 in F1, Maserati in FE and then Toyota.

There is a release clause in his Maserati deal in the event an F1 drive became available so you'd imagine he has the same agreement at Toyota, if indeed he'd even signed anything.

Well done to Nyck - talk about grasping your opportunity.
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Kind of wild how he could have up to four contract offers next year - 2 in F1, Maserati in FE and then Toyota.

There is a release clause in his Maserati deal in the event an F1 drive became available so you'd imagine he has the same agreement at Toyota, if indeed he'd even signed anything.

Well done to Nyck - talk about grasping your opportunity.
Yes Nyck really made the most of that 'job interview' as he called it. Funny how circumstances can change everything.
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Rumors were flying around for months that they were doing this. Guess it confirms they thought the GR010 was fundamentally flawed.
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Rumors were flying around for months that they were doing this. Guess it confirms they thought the GR010 was fundamentally flawed.
In their defense, the rules for the class changed a few times while they were building the car. But glad to see them pushing forward with a new design.
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In their defense, the rules for the class changed a few times while they were building the car. But glad to see them pushing forward with a new design.

This. I thinks it's a bit dicey still to go with a new car, but with 2 years experience under their belt, I'd hope they would be able to put a better foot forward that the other 2023 entrants.
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Old 20 Sep 2022, 09:04 (Ref:4126563)   #535
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The advantage of starting 2 years before pretty much everybody else. Gives you chance to see what works and what does not and you can improve.
Even if the category is BOP-ed, operationally the new car from Toyota should be better suited to racing and expecting the others to have similar issues to what Toyota had in first 2 years.
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As a fellow Canuck, I'm happy to see this.
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Update on the new Toyota for 23. It won't be new, but just an update.

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...tion-for-2023/

Some really interesting comments from Pascal here about how much they can actually change without using any of their joker updates. Lots of things have already been done on the car that didn't count, but he would not say if they have used any of their Jokers or how many.
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Nice little updates to the car. Diveplanes, rear wing endplates, front and rear brake ducts. Still not the prettiest car in the field but speed does more talking so lets see.
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So, the champs. How do their drivers compare?

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1Sébastien BUEMI (Toyota 8)1:47.8851:48.5271:48.7641:49.208
2Brendon HARTLEY (Toyota 8)1:48.2881:48.8721:49.1331:49.440
3Mike CONWAY (Toyota 7)1:48.3621:48.8541:49.1021:49.631
4Kamui KOBAYASHI (Toyota 7)1:48.6381:48.9051:49.1091:49.427
5Jose Maria LOPEZ (Toyota 7)1:48.9581:49.0261:49.1511:49.487
6Ryo HIRAKAWA (Toyota 8)1:49.1001:49.1951:49.2901:49.567
Pretty evenly matched squad - even at Sebring which has shown up some differences, more than say Portimao...
Buemi got in a few more quick ones, but other than that it generally didn't matter who was in either car.
They even split the driving more evenly than most - the longer race seemed to mean one driver in each car got much more running for a lot of the other teams.
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Portimao Average Lap time
RankCarFastestTop 10Top 20Top 40
1Mike CONWAY (Toyota 7)1:32.1351:32.7751:33.2621:33.711
2Sébastien BUEMI (Toyota 8)1:32.3781:33.1351:33.5061:33.958
3Jose Maria LOPEZ (Toyota 7)1:32.4671:32.9221:33.1951:33.572
4Brendon HARTLEY (Toyota 8)1:32.5571:32.8721:33.1451:33.477
5Ryo HIRAKAWA (Toyota 8)1:32.8721:33.3051:33.4721:33.702
6Kamui KOBAYASHI (Toyota 7)1:33.2391:33.5031:33.6801:34.015
Again pretty consistent across all. Hartley maybe having the edge? By a teeny tiny amount.

Spa Average Lap time
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1Kamui KOBAYASHI (Toyota 7)2:02.3272:05.4932:06.3472:07.586
2Jose Maria LOPEZ (Toyota 7)2:04.3222:06.4182:06.9662:09.007
3Brendon HARTLEY (Toyota 8)2:05.2842:06.4632:07.1972:12.302
4Ryo HIRAKAWA (Toyota 8)2:05.3032:07.1402:07.8832:09.686
5Mike CONWAY (Toyota 7)2:05.8312:06.5872:07.0852:08.507
6Sébastien BUEMI (Toyota 8)2:06.9292:07.6402:07.9672:09.468
A bit of a spread at the fast end of the this chart, but 10-30th best pretty consistent. Will be effected by who had the best conditions and or when they were managing the pace.

Maybe when we compare to Ferrari we see Ferrari were more consistent on the 5th to 20th best laps - but Toyota didn't have nightmare cold tyre problem.

I am just impressed looking at this. What a squad.
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Consistency is key and Toyotas drivers have that. Very good analysis!
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Toyota have been at it a long time. I can see why they attract so many top drivers, they've always had that technical superiority and it shows. Plus they offer a good wage packet too...
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So, the champs. How do their drivers compare?

Sebring Average Lap time
RankCarFastestTop 10Top 20Top 40
1Sébastien BUEMI (Toyota 8)1:47.8851:48.5271:48.7641:49.208
2Brendon HARTLEY (Toyota 8)1:48.2881:48.8721:49.1331:49.440
3Mike CONWAY (Toyota 7)1:48.3621:48.8541:49.1021:49.631
4Kamui KOBAYASHI (Toyota 7)1:48.6381:48.9051:49.1091:49.427
5Jose Maria LOPEZ (Toyota 7)1:48.9581:49.0261:49.1511:49.487
6Ryo HIRAKAWA (Toyota 8)1:49.1001:49.1951:49.2901:49.567
Pretty evenly matched squad - even at Sebring which has shown up some differences, more than say Portimao...
Buemi got in a few more quick ones, but other than that it generally didn't matter who was in either car.
They even split the driving more evenly than most - the longer race seemed to mean one driver in each car got much more running for a lot of the other teams.
Professional.

Portimao Average Lap time
RankCarFastestTop 10Top 20Top 40
1Mike CONWAY (Toyota 7)1:32.1351:32.7751:33.2621:33.711
2Sébastien BUEMI (Toyota 8)1:32.3781:33.1351:33.5061:33.958
3Jose Maria LOPEZ (Toyota 7)1:32.4671:32.9221:33.1951:33.572
4Brendon HARTLEY (Toyota 8)1:32.5571:32.8721:33.1451:33.477
5Ryo HIRAKAWA (Toyota 8)1:32.8721:33.3051:33.4721:33.702
6Kamui KOBAYASHI (Toyota 7)1:33.2391:33.5031:33.6801:34.015
Again pretty consistent across all. Hartley maybe having the edge? By a teeny tiny amount.

Spa Average Lap time
RankCarFastestTop 10Top 20Top 40
1Kamui KOBAYASHI (Toyota 7)2:02.3272:05.4932:06.3472:07.586
2Jose Maria LOPEZ (Toyota 7)2:04.3222:06.4182:06.9662:09.007
3Brendon HARTLEY (Toyota 8)2:05.2842:06.4632:07.1972:12.302
4Ryo HIRAKAWA (Toyota 8)2:05.3032:07.1402:07.8832:09.686
5Mike CONWAY (Toyota 7)2:05.8312:06.5872:07.0852:08.507
6Sébastien BUEMI (Toyota 8)2:06.9292:07.6402:07.9672:09.468
A bit of a spread at the fast end of the this chart, but 10-30th best pretty consistent. Will be effected by who had the best conditions and or when they were managing the pace.

Maybe when we compare to Ferrari we see Ferrari were more consistent on the 5th to 20th best laps - but Toyota didn't have nightmare cold tyre problem.

I am just impressed looking at this. What a squad.



Honestly, an extremely well oiled machine. They absolutely deserve to reap all the rewards for their investment and commitment.



Many naysayers online and some pundits seem to be determined to point the finger and say "They can't get it done with proper competition" but damn. They've been on it and there or thereabouts even while Porsche and Audi were around and in their prime and are now pretty much in the zone with what is a fundamentally compromised car and if we are to believe them, a relatively shoestring budget.



I hope they get their flowers, and I can't wait to see how far they go into the future. Into the 2026 hydrogen era even perhaps?
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