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Old 20 Jun 2021, 15:49 (Ref:4057405)   #76
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12th in a race with no retirements. I can see why that impresses.
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Old 20 Jun 2021, 16:22 (Ref:4057410)   #77
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I think the team screwed Bottas today. He was bang on with his radio call about "why didn't you listen?".
Sure but his job and his previous results this season should indicate he was going to have to accept some screwing somewhere.

Plus they already gave him Hamilton's car.
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Old 20 Jun 2021, 16:36 (Ref:4057414)   #78
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12th in a race with no retirements. I can see why that impresses.
Good or decent maybe but surely not outstanding.

Had the usual awful early laps too.
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Old 20 Jun 2021, 18:35 (Ref:4057453)   #79
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I think the team screwed Bottas today. He was bang on with his radio call about "why didn't you listen?".
Got the favorable pit stop call in the first round of pit stops. Couldn’t use the undercut to get past Verstappen as he was too far behind. And his in and out wasn’t as impressive as Max’s (I haven’t compared sectors of those laps).

And as Hamilton said the only way to beat Red Bull today was to try and make a one stop work. A two stop would have probably put Bottas 4th.

I was surprised they didn’t bring him in at the end for the shot at the FL.
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Old 20 Jun 2021, 18:38 (Ref:4057454)   #80
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Good or decent maybe but surely not outstanding.

Had the usual awful early laps too.
I thought it very good. My point was more that I can see how it can be viewed as impressive and that didn’t deserve to be dismissed.

Back to the thread topic. Will Russell be in a Merc next year? I don’t know, but at least he’s avoiding bad pit stops at the moment.
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Old 20 Jun 2021, 18:46 (Ref:4057459)   #81
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I was surprised they didn’t bring him in at the end for the shot at the FL.
Big gap to Norris so there was a window.

Might not have had a fresh set of tires? Attention on the lead battle? Were more then a little mad Bottas yelled at them over the radio?

I do find that last one hard to believe, but im thinking the relationship is done.
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Old 20 Jun 2021, 19:56 (Ref:4057485)   #82
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Big gap to Norris so there was a window.
Toto said the reason they did not go for that was they believed that Sergio was going to get a penalty for track limits in the pass of Bottas, in which case they would have potentially lost 3rd place points by stopping. As Toto said, they gambled and lost.
(Just like to point out that even if Sergio had been pinged for track limits with a 5 second penalty, in the end Sergio finished over 5 seconds ahead of Bottas so it would not have worked anyway. ie they should have gone for the F/L)
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Toto said the reason they did not go for that was they believed that Sergio was going to get a penalty for track limits in the pass of Bottas, in which case they would have lost 3rd place points. As he said they gambled and lost.
Ah, makes sense. Thanks.
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Just like to point out that even if Sergio had been pinged for track limits with a 5 second penalty, in the end Sergio finished over 5 seconds ahead so it would not have worked anyway. ie they should have gone for the F/L
There is only one thing to say to that. Bottas.
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Old 21 Jun 2021, 20:54 (Ref:4057685)   #84
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indeed. thanks for clearing that up for me E.B.
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I think people are being too harsh on the guys in their first year with new teams this year. All of them seem to have started slower than usual, from Alonso to vettel to perez to Ricciardo to tsunoda to (lol) mazepin. The lack of a normal offseason to prepare seems to have been an issue. Now 7 races in, vettel looks much better, Alonso and ricciardo as well. So from this point on, let's see how close these guys are to their teammates.

Massively impressed, at the same time, that ocon has taken it to Alonso anyway.

Pretty apparent bottas is racing for himself this year. Or should be. He isnt long for mercedes, even if he lasts through 2022. And most of his trouble this season has been bad luck again.
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All of them seem to have started slower than usual, from Alonso to vettel to perez to Ricciardo to tsunoda to (lol) mazepin. The lack of a normal offseason to prepare seems to have been an issue. Now 7 races in, vettel looks much better, Alonso and ricciardo as well.
What about Perez? Except for Emilia Romagna he has finished 5th or better all year including 1 win and a 3rd.. hes 3rd in the points so far.
Definitely the best result for a RB #2 in years

To me the disappointment is Shu2. He has had his share of offs and is sometimes slower than haasaspin. I know its a dog car, but I expected him to embarrass his team mate
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What about Perez? Except for Emilia Romagna he has finished 5th or better all year including 1 win and a 3rd.. hes 3rd in the points so far.
Definitely the best result for a RB #2 in years

To me the disappointment is Shu2. He has had his share of offs and is sometimes slower than haasaspin. I know its a dog car, but I expected him to embarrass his team mate
Agree re: Perez. He is everything RB have ever wanted in a number 2, even in the Webber era.

As for Mick...in the races both have finished:
France: Mick 14.1s ahead
Baku: Mick 0.07s ahead
Monaco: Mazepin 1.4s ahead
Spain: Mick 49.8s ahead
Portugal: Mick 67.4s ahead
Imola: Mick 68.2s ahead

He's beaten him 5-1 in races at an average of 40 seconds ahead on track.

If that's not "embarrassing" a teammate in equal machinery both graduating from F2 at the same time I'm not sure what is.
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Looking ahead again, Will there be any seats for the top guys in F2?

There's a quality bunch at the sharp end but a few of then will probably need another year before they are ready to move up.

Ferrari, Renault and Red Bull all have a couple of potential aces.
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Zhou is being groomed to be in F1, so we'll see if he can find a berth next year
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Zhou is being groomed to be in F1, so we'll see if he can find a berth next year
Strong suggestion deal done with Williams.
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