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Horse racing survived and thrived, though, and does to this day. So who knows, maybe the V8s will also be around 20 years from now even if only as a specialized piece of sports equipment rather than as something tied to how regular people get from A to B.
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TA Supercars, I can see where this is heading!
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Lets go even wilder,
Formula Supercar, use the S5000 car with a Chev/ Ford V8 supercar engine. Fast loud and no reliance at all relating to a car style. Even keep manufactures involved by suppling engines. |
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One of the big differences is torque and when comparing naturally aspirated to naturally aspirated, V8s are very strong when it comes to torque - it's partly why they've been so effective at Bathurst, the torque pulling up that steep hill really makes a difference. Once you're used to all that torque, it gets pretty addictive, probably just as much, or maybe even more than the Vtec "kick". |
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16 Oct 2020, 23:44 (Ref:4011081) | #457 | |
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How is the S5000 project going these days? Historically open wheel/formaula cars have never had a log life in this country and generally low interest from the fan base. The heyday was of course when the F1 drivers came out to race the Tasman cup and for a short period after that F5000. All our racing was in an open wheeler but facts are facts unfortunately.
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17 Oct 2020, 03:44 (Ref:4011100) | #458 | ||
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The vibe seems to be that Gen 3 is going to be V8 exclusive. Has it been reported that way anywhere? Personally, i'd like to see different engine configurations.
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IMO, this is where S5000 has missed the mark by using the wrong type of V8 engine and not having enough aero. Proper V8 formula cars are a lot of fun and would be breaking domestic track records left right and centre, all while costing no more than a Supercar to run over a season: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grnJgktivjI Actually Formula 3.5 V8 (Dallara with enlarged Zytek Judd Formula 3000 engine) only cost 350,000EUR or 600,000AUD per season which is very reasonable for a car of that capability. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 18 Oct 2020 at 07:33. |
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The Formula V8 series had the right amount, none of those ugly flick ups you see in F1. Hence why you saw close action like that race at Spa
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19 Oct 2020, 11:39 (Ref:4011490) | #463 | |
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Gen2 allowed for 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder but no-one built one so they probably thought whats the point for gen3.
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Even as an alloy block engine, a Coyote weighs about 195kg... That's 79kg more than a proper V8 racing engine, which is not really an acceptable weight penalty in a Formula car. By the same token, even a stock-block 2L turbo would weigh around 133kg (Honda K20C1) and can be tuned to produce 600hp... Quite the improvement on the Ford Windsor Boss 302's 225kg! Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 19 Oct 2020 at 14:30. |
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Did the series work in the long run though? It couldn't last forever as we have seen. What was good then may not work now
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If Supercars had removed the minimum engine weight (and particularly the maximum power limit), then I think many entrants would have seriously considered building a 2-2.5L turbo-four (particularly if it was legal to crank up the boost, but even without that saving 90kg on the engine is attractive). People seem to unanimously love the Benetton-BMW turbo four (likewise Ford touring car fans loving the iconic Sierra Cosworth), so I'm not sure why some Supercars fan are so against turbo fours? By the same token, it remains inexplicable why turbocharged engines were ever banned from the Australian Touring Car Championship in the first place. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 19 Oct 2020 at 14:39. |
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Mind you fast forward 20 plus years maybe its time for change THEN Comes the parity saga as per all those years ago On and on and on. |
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Or the DTM. Or the BTCC Or the World Sports Car Championship. It was generally agreed rightly or wrongly turbo charged engines were an unnecessary expense and the sport would be better served by moving to naturally aspirated engines. |
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Tired and bored with the same nonsense we've seen for decades, and having "Strayan's want V8's mate, it's out DNA" and "how great the racing is" banged over his head. He just wants a normal, straight down the line, egalitarian touring car series that's Australian. He's not interested in chest puffing or inflated opinions of itself. He will never ever get that though thanks to a self interested clique. |
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20 Oct 2020, 11:57 (Ref:4011643) | #473 | ||
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Disinterested in car racing you say? At least I am talking about car racing while you do nothing but steal my oxygen.
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I think we all love car racing on here, and I do try and keep up to date with the Supercars series when I can
I agree Bathurst was great, even if it wasn't quite the event it could have been. I think the Supercars are fine the way they are, no need to change the formula for whatever reason, we might see other tin top series like TCR thrive in Australia, but for now the Supercars is where the action is and we should stick with it |
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