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Old 18 May 2000, 00:52 (Ref:2610)   #1
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Autosport reports at their site

BTCC format hangs in the balance

Teams await decision on formula for next year.

The format for the British Touring Car Championship will be all change by the end of this week. New Championship Promoter BMP will choose between a Superstars category, proposed by Brands Hatch owner Octagon and a ‘Super Touring ‘92’ formula.

Superstars is based on an equality formula using more prestigious cars, such as the BMW 5-series. The series has more scope for innovation stemming from the use of engines between 2.5 and 4.0 litres and the choice of front, rear or four-wheel drive.

The scaled down ‘Super Touring ’92‘ harks back to the cars of the beginning of the last decade. The rules would prevent the use of splitters, wings and expensive materials such as magnesium and carbon fibre, thus keeping costs down.

Support for both formats remains divided. Manufacturers Honda and Vauxhall are both behind a ‘bargain-priced’ series. Roland Dane, boss of the works Vectra squad, said: “We’ve got to have a situation whereby teams that operate on smaller budgets can compete on a relatively level field.”

Ford team boss David Richards, however, is a supporter of Superstars and believes it has more support than many would imagine. “People will be surprised. I know of five manufacturers committed on an international level,” he said. “We have an audience to appeal to – that’s what Superstars will do. On the basis of everything put forward, the principles are sound and sensible.”

BMP have promised a decision within the next few days.



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Old 18 May 2000, 00:56 (Ref:2611)   #2
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Personally, I would support a return to the '92 ST or Class 2 rules!!! What do you think? I guess '92 ST is similar to the proposed '01 rules? I think the '92 ST rule return is even better than the latter as there are no requirements for shared suspension parts? I wonder if that includes RWD and Quattro?

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Old 18 May 2000, 01:30 (Ref:2612)   #3
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SUPERTOURING '92 !!!!

THIS is what I've been saying all along! Yes!!! Nearly everyone on this forum has agreed at some point or another that their favourite period of modern BTTC History is from the early '90's!

SuperTouring, pre-aero!
Big rims, custom suspension, big cages, No DGH's, screaming four-pots, and NO SPOILERS!!!!! OR CUTAWAY WINGS!!! Yes! Yes!! Yes!!!

As somebody else wrote a few days ago, big saloons are OK, but don't appeal to a mass market like the regular 2-litre, four-door saloon does.

SUPERTOURING '92 !!!!

I'm a little excited, OK?

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Old 18 May 2000, 12:57 (Ref:2613)   #4
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I'd hate to be different, but i like the look of the late 90's variety. They look meaner, and they look like racing cars. If i wanted to see a mondeo in standard trim i would go down stairs. People watch F1 because they are far out and whacky (that's why, isn't it??) if they said that F1 were for standard road cars, it would be a joke...

Meh, well what would i know? I like sport sedans, and they are closer to F1 than road cars..

If they are in standard trim, let them stuff around with the suspension, or at least make sure they have soft suspension, so we can see some 2 wheel action...
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Old 18 May 2000, 13:15 (Ref:2614)   #5
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That's just it CT, there will be plenty of scope for modification:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Big rims, custom suspension, big cages, screaming four-pots...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They're pretty much as they were back then!
Remember Cleland and Allam in the Cavaliers, Soper in the BMW, Andy Rouse in the Mondeo...

I CAN'T WAIT!
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There needs to be something in the middle. Maybe a class that could have, only looking at BMW for the moment, 3-series and 5-series competing for the lead. If you can get that to happen then people will want to watch and manufacturers will want to get involved.

You could have the Volvo S60 vs BMW 328 vs Merc CLK vs Holden Commodore vs Ford Falcon (so people don't think I'm biased to one or other) vs Vauxhall Vectra vs Ford Mondeo vs ...well you should get the idea by now. Writing the rules might be a bit of a nightmare though.
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But i want wings and flame throwers
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Crash, have you noticed I've eventually replied to your topic in the Technical Forum?!

Go look see!
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I know i know

Thinking of doing up another one for next month's edition of Accelerate ( http://www.qrda.asn.au ) wink wink
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Crash test wrote:

&gt;But i want wings and flame throwers
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Wow, when did flame throwers appear? ;-) But that would be so expensive!! How about compromising? We'll give up the wings and add the flame throwers!
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I've found some more info on the ST '92...

Lap times are likely to be reduced by up to six seconds on an average (?) circuit, due to the reduction in downforce, and the engines power down to 260 bhp. ('92 levels)

Vauxhall and Honda are fully behind the proposed regs. However, Ford/Prodrive's Dave Richards believes that the Superstars category is the way to go...

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Can't wait! (let's just hope that they don't bring back Frank Sytner! )

If you want flame throwers and wings, go to Germany. The BTCC went downhill after wings, so we don't want them. OK!
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If Touring 92 regs are used, will the current cars still be legal if they conform to the new rules? (less wings, 300hp engines etc.)
If this years cars or even those a couple of years old don't have to be scrapped, it might help the grids next year.

Has anyone heard estimates of what a budget for a semi-competive single car effort might be under the proposed "new" rules?

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Although i seem to be spending all of my time these days paying out on the rule makers of the class, V8 supercars are brilliant. They are big and noisey, have big wings, spit fire, lift wheels, really, if the same drivers were in V8s as the ASTC, it would still flop.

I really do pity you folk north of the equator....you really are missing out here...
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Old 19 May 2000, 16:20 (Ref:2624)   #15
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Sparky wrote:

&gt;Lap times are likely to be reduced by up to &gt;six seconds on an average (?) circuit,
&gt;due to the reduction in downforce, and the &gt;engines power down to 260 bhp. ('92 levels)
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Though I expect the lap times to be reduced, I did not expect the hp to drop? Did or do(??) the '92 rules limit engine modification more than the present ST rules? I almost quite literally expected the teams to just remove the front/rear splitters, maybe swap a bit of carbon fibre stuff off the car and drive down to the starting grid!
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