Lotus 35

[KDW]

How many of the Lotus 35's built are still in existance.

Paul Matty has one. with Lotus TC fitted
I have one, with Lotus TC
There is one fitted up as a Tasman car with FPF

Can any one add to this list ??

[Edgar Jessop]

I suspect of the twelve originally built only twenty three remain.

[Vitesse]

12? This says 22 ....

http://www.lotuscarclub.org/types.htm

[Bryan Miller]

KDW .
This answer doesn't assist in numbers , however none ever came down to Australia or New Zealand .
Doug Nye's The Story of Lotus lists 22 off as F2,F3 FB cars.
Ron Harris ran 2 for Brian Hart and Peter Revson , ch. no's. 32-F2-3 and 32-F2-4 , and as I look while typing at F1 Register Vol. 8 1965-69 , by the end of 1965 in F2 races chassis numbers , 1,2 ,3,4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 14, 17, and 18 had all been out and about. So that takes up 13 of your 22 cars in 1965,and as we up to ch.no. 18 it looks like 22 is reasonably correct , but this may well not mean 22 seperate cars or entities as some numbers may have been allocated to replace write offs.
Hope this assists.
Bryan.

[allenbrown]

John Dimmer has one in the US. It is 35/F/18 (or 35-F-18 I really don't know how it should be written).

Allen

[Bryan Miller]

KDW.
Excuse my typo , those numbers should have read 35-F-3 and-4 ,which is really interesting as it is the 1st time I had noticed that Lotus did not designate formula type in the number.
I.E. the Lotus 32-F2- whatever , or as in say Lotus 20-J-965 where the J indicated FJ.
If they had followed as previously you would have expected to see , say 35-F2-?? or even 35-FB- ??.
Lotus 35-F-18 is in F1R as being Brian Hart's car in F2 races in 1965 with a Cosworth S.C.A.
All the Lotus ch.plates and for that matter Brabhams seem to have been with a - between characters and/or numbers.
Bryan.

[Chris Townsend]

35-F-19 makes an appearance in 1967 driven by Piers Courage for Charlie Lucas, so we're nearly at 22.

The only 35 in my records with a prolonged traceable history is 35-F-8 which was a Parnell car for Hobbs, then went via John Coombs to Luke Duffy in Ireland [raced by Gerry Kinnane] and ends up with Ted Shanahan in 1971

Chris

[Bryan Miller]

Chris, anybody , if my memory is correct , did I not see a ref. many years ago to a Lotus 35 fitted with a Martin V8 ?

[Chris Townsend]

Bryan

Indeed, it was this car [35-F-19] that had the Martin engine. Courage did a 1.36.2 at Brands for the Race of Champions, which was a respectable time out of the box, and then did the engine, so didn't start. The car did not appear again.

I don't know enough about the Pearce Martin set up. Lucas appears to have been running a separate operation, as a customer for the engine. After the Pearce transporter was burned out in the paddock at the International Trophy did the team fold, so Lucas wasn't able to buy a new engine? If so, given that Luke wasn't exactly poor, what happened? Why didn't he order BRM V12s [like McLaren did]. Obviously the DFV wasn't available to him. Or was it that he was only interested in running his friend Courage, and Courage went off first to Parnell and then to Frank Williams.

[KDW]

Bryan & Chris
I have borrowed a number of Lotus 35 photos from Ted Walkers Ferret Fhotographics.
These are annotated with chassis no driver and event/date.
I will write a list and post it. Thanks for all your help.
Further to the Martin V8 there was one L35 in USA that was fitted with a Ford 289 for F5000.

Kevin Whittle

[KDW]

The chassis numbers that I have are :

35-F3 J Clark in F2 race Snetterton in 1965 with 6 spoke wheels
F4 M Spence Brands Aug 1965 6 spokes
F6 Boley Pittard Brands Aug 65
F8 G Hill Brands 8/65 W Webs ALSO Revson Snetterton F2 race 4/65 6 spoke
F14 B Collomb C Palace F2race 6/65
F17 Ray Parsons Brands 8/65 W Webs
F20 My car W Webs

Other sightings are
Tony Birchenough at Brands 8/68 6 spokes, & C Combe 9/8/1969 fitted with wide wheels.
Brian Hart with a 35 fitted with a normal nose 4/1965, and also with Costin nose at Snetterton 4/1966 6 spokes.
C Beckwith C Palace 6/1970

What can you guys add to this ??

[Bryan Miller]

Kevin.
All from F1R. vol.8

Ron Harris Team Lotus 35-F-2 Peter Revson.
''''''''''''''''''''' 35-F-3 Jim Clark
''''''''''''''''''''' 35-F-4 Michael Spence
John Willment Automobiles 35-F-6 Boley Pittard
''''''''''''''''''''''''' 35-F-7 Frank Gardner
John Coobes 35-F-8 Graham Hill
Oster A S Clun 35-F-9 Alban Schreiber at Soltitude
Jacques Maglia 35-F-11 Jacques Maglia
[Peter] Sellers Racing 35-F-12 Barry

[Bryan Miller]

[Peter] Sellers Racing 35-F-12 Barry Hart ???
F B Collomb 35-F-14 Bernard Collomb
John Willment Automobiles 35-F-17 Ray Parsons
B.R.Hart 35-F-18 Brian Hart.
Please note some of the cars had other pilots at various times.
Bryan.

Sorry about 2 posts , hit the wrong key.

[KDW]

Thanks Bryan
I have decided to create a document with a page per car and list what I have found out.
I'll let you have a copy
Kevin

[Bryan Miller]

Kevin.
1966 Lotus 35 trails.
2-4-66 Oulton Park.
Ron Harris Team Lotus still have 35-F-3 and -4 for Jim Clark and Peter Arundell
Same at Goodwood on 11-4-66
Same at Pau on 17-4-66
Same at Nurburgring 24-4-66, plus Bernard Collomb entered but did not start
Montjuic Park 24-4-66 Bernard Collomb still in 35-F-14.
At Zolder Ron Harris has 44-F-1 and 35-F-3 and 35-F-4 on 8-5-66 as well as 32-F2-1.
John Coombes enters his at Crystal Palace 30-5-66, however driver not available [G. Hill ??]
Thereafter no hint untill Brands 30-10-66 when John Cardwell enters 35-F-3.

In 1967 at Keimola 35-F-17 .
Entrant . Haj-Haj Racing Team , Drv. Ove Niklasson.

I think I am about to add these to my list of unloved racing cars, they all seem to have fallen off the face of the earth , best guess is this is the time of Brabham supremacy in customer cars , and as these were early monocques and Brabham still making tube frame cars nobody really desired them due to difficulty of repair etc. at this point in time.
Why don't you add Lotus 44's to your list as there were only 3 off and all started life with Ron Harris Team Lotus.
Chassis Numbers were obviously 44-F-1/-2/-3
Good Luck. Bryan.

[KDW]

Thanks Bryan,
The truth is its probably best to do 27, 32, 35, 44, and 48 then I'll have the full set !!

Looking at paperowork with my car prperly I see that it was from today back :
Me
Swiss dealer C Grohe who bought from Widow of
jean Paloumet of Nice, deceased in road accident
Baldini of Nice
then it say Nino Vacarella
Is that the great man, Ferrari driver in sports cars ie Targa Floria ???
Do you know if this is correct ?

[Bryan Miller]

Kevin.
You are probably correct , a lot of them will all be mixed up , people calling out 27's as 32's etc.
3 x 27 came over here , and only 1 x 32 , as opposed to the 32B .

I have copies of the Lotus ch. list for the 27's and also most of the 27 sales cards giving ex. factory specification etc. and dates they left the works.

Chris and Allen are you into Lotus early Monocques ????
Bryan.

[KDW]

The Lotus non F1 monocoques are little appreciated. I would have loved to buy a 25/33 but its utterly out of reach, so the 35 is as close as I could get. It is v similar to a 25 in many of its details, lovely car and v original. Mine is 35-F20

[Expat]

KDW - yours wasn't by any chance restored by Peter Denty?

[macca]

Kevin,
I too love the non-F1 monocoques, and deeply envy you. I have seen Paul Matty's with the TC engine at HSCC meetings, and there is another with a BRM 1000cc DOHC F2 engine which used to appear in HGPA events, I don't know who owned it. There was a 35 at the auction at Coys in 1999 (I think) in a horrible mustard-and-mushy-pea-green colour scheme with an Alfa 1500 engine in it (and a big lump hacked out of the monocoque to accomodate the oil filter) which had come from S. Africa. I have quite a few photos. Where and when will you be racing? Do you need a helper(unskilled!)?

Chris,
The Martin engine saga is another one of my interests, which I am trying get the definitive story on. The new biog of Piers Courage has some info in it, also there was an article in Motor Racing mag in early 1967 and one in Classic Cars in 1990 IIRC about Ted Martin. It seems Lucas had a spare 35 and Ted Martin was looking for a test-bed for the first 3L engine. It raced once in a F.Libre race at Mallory Park on Boxing Day 1966 where Roy Pike came third, non-started at Brands either due to a bent rocker or due to being tow-started with cold oil (it was bitter that day - I was there!) and snapping the cambelt, and then was crashed by Courage testing at Snetterton and caught fire. It was said to have been written-off, but in the Autosport of March 8th 1968 it is offered for sale for £3475, by J.A. Pearce Motors ironically.

Another Motor Racing article, in early 1968, says that Lucas wanted to concentrate on his F3 Titans, so the crash gave him the reason to abandon the F1.

The Ted Martin article in 1990 says that Pearce gave up racing after his team was burnt out, and Ted then was stuck for customers until John Woolf bought some and then Chris Lawrence of Lawrencetune fame ordered some for the Monica road car project. Lawrence seems to have taken over marketing as well, because he was advertising the engines for Supersaloons in July 1970 (235 bhp @ 7500 rpm, 230 lbs weight).

Bryan/Kevin/Chris, I'd love to see the final chassis history details. Do any of the 44's survive, they were the prettiest of all IMHO?

Paul Mackness

[macca]

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...n&pagenumber=4

Forgot to mention, there's a photo of Roy Pike in the 35 at Mallory above.

[allenbrown]

Originally posted by KDW
Bryan & Chris
I have borrowed a number of Lotus 35 photos from Ted Walkers Ferret Fhotographics.
These are annotated with chassis no driver and event/date.
I will write a list and post it. Thanks for all your help.
Further to the Martin V8 there was one L35 in USA that was fitted with a Ford 289 for F5000.

Kevin Whittle

Kevin

Ted gets his chassis numbers from the F1 Register books when he puts his labels on the pictures. The chassis numbers are not from contemporary notes so shouldn't be taken as confirmaton of F1R records.

Allen

[allenbrown]

Originally posted by KDW
...Further to the Martin V8 there was one L35 in USA that was fitted with a Ford 289 for F5000.

Kevin Whittle

Kevin

That was the Dimmer car I mentioned above. Raced by Vernon Shields in 1968-70 period.

There was also a 35 in 1967 with a FPF 2.5 in Formula A which may or may not be the Shields car. Ed Marshall ran this at Continental Divide 14 May 1967.

Allen

[Chris Townsend]

Kevin/Bryan

Here's a little more, non F1R information [From contemporary journals]

1967
Harris still has two cars, run for Cardwell and Offenstadt
Ernst Maring an F3 car run in 66 by KArl von Wendt
Dieter Lanzerath an F3 run in 66 by Neerpasch
Willment still has a car, run for Juncadella in F3, but this cannot be 35-F-17 which is in Sweden run first by Kottulinsky [66] then Niklasson [67] then Kottulinsky again [68]

1968
Willie Forbes has 35-F-15
Damien Magee has 'an ex Lucas 35' ? 35-F-19?

Lotus 44s
1973 M Dee has 44-F-1 for sale from an address in Surrey. Presume this is Miki Dee who later ran a F.ford race hire outfit
Peter Darr has a 44 for FB races in November 68 in the US

Chris

Anyone care to have a go at Lotus 41's? You'll be doing mankind a favour!

[KDW]

Expat,
No mine is untouched, except for my re wire, replumb water and brakes. Paul Matty's 35 was restored by P Denty.
Kevin